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Old May 25 2013, 08:58 PM   #16
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Re: Blu-Ray vs DVD

I prefer the 3 Director's/extended cuts and the Trek TOS movies are the only movies I own that are not Blu-ray.

So I'm glad they did the theatricals on Blu-ray and now if they want my money for the 9th time---they'll have to release the extendeds on Blu-ray
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Old May 25 2013, 10:45 PM   #17
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I prefer the theatrical versions. Though I own both the 2-Disc Special Editions and the Blu-ray's.
Well I haven't seen TMP's theatrical version for years now so I can't compare with the one I have, but I prefer TWOK's special edition because there's some added character moments that I feel are missing from the theatrical cut.
I think those extra scenes kill the pacing of The Wrath of Khan. I remember watching the theatrical cut the first time on Blu-ray (first time I had seen the theatrical version in years) and thinking how crisp it was compared to the Director's Edition.

But, everyone has different things that they look for in a film.
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Old May 26 2013, 04:34 AM   #18
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TWOK Theatrical vs Director's is a difference of exactly 3 min and 30 seconds.

Act I from the begining to Kirk's disrupted conversation with Carol---has @1min 10 seconds of added footage
1. glassess 7 seconds
2. Preston 50 seconds
3. Carol/Chekov extended 13 seconds

Act II up till Kirk yells Khaaaan has @1min 53 seconds added
4. Extended Regula debate 8 seconds
5. Extended McCoy/Spock debate 21 seconds
6. Kirk/McCoy discussing Khan after preston's death 1min 24 seconds.

Act III the remainder of the movie has @25 seconds addedd
7. Jeffrey's tube dialogue 15 seconds
8. 'Human ego' dialogue 10 seconds

and there is another 2 seconds that are during the opening logos.

Of course not all the additions are great, but any version where I get to see more of De Kelley as McCoy---well, I'll suffer thru a couple of weak lines by an average actor.

But McCoy and Spock having a slightly longer argument and McCoy and Kirk having one of their trademark heart to hearts and Spock ribbing Kirk about the human ego, is what Trek is all about to me.

3 scenes with additions each for Spock and McCoy and 6 scenes with more Kirk--I'm grateful for it and sadly we'll never see them work together again.

Weird fact---for those of you who might say that even a few seconds can slow down the pace of the movie........

Well as a format Blu-ray is just a fraction slower than DVD and film.

So the theatrical cut of the Blu-ray is 9 seconds longer than the DVD, despite being the exact same cut.

It's the same for all movies, put in a copy of any movie--even ones that came out same day like when Iron Man 3 comes out. The Blu-ray will be 8 to 10 seconds longer than either the movie in theater or the DVD that comes out the same day.

Hopefully 8 to 10 seconds is below your threshold for ruining the pacing!
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Old May 26 2013, 07:32 AM   #19
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and there is another 2 seconds that are during the opening logos.
Why is that? Are there additional credits?
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Old May 26 2013, 03:12 PM   #20
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and there is another 2 seconds that are during the opening logos.
Why is that? Are there additional credits?
No, it's not anything like that---it's just the actual time the Paramount logo is shown before the music starts up or possibly even just the amount of black screen before the logo comes up. It may have been the fact they used a more modern Paramount logo for the DE.

Just for whatever reason from the start of the movie to the caption

"....in the 23rd century"


---takes 2:51 on the 1 disc DVD and it takes 2:53 on the 2-disc DE.
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Old May 26 2013, 04:14 PM   #21
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Hopefully 8 to 10 seconds is below your threshold for ruining the pacing!
Those three minutes and thirty seconds make the movie drag for me.
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Old May 26 2013, 05:07 PM   #22
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Hopefully 8 to 10 seconds is below your threshold for ruining the pacing!
Those three minutes and thirty seconds make the movie drag for me.

So I've heard.

For me, they enhance the movie, so like you said, glad we have two versions to enjoy!
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Old May 26 2013, 09:25 PM   #23
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I think those extra scenes kill the pacing of The Wrath of Khan. I remember watching the theatrical cut the first time on Blu-ray (first time I had seen the theatrical version in years) and thinking how crisp it was compared to the Director's Edition.

But, everyone has different things that they look for in a film.
Sure, to each his own. I just think that it deepens the characters of Scotty and Kirk, specifically.
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Old May 26 2013, 09:28 PM   #24
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Well as a format Blu-ray is just a fraction slower than DVD and film.

So the theatrical cut of the Blu-ray is 9 seconds longer than the DVD, despite being the exact same cut.

It's the same for all movies, put in a copy of any movie--even ones that came out same day like when Iron Man 3 comes out. The Blu-ray will be 8 to 10 seconds longer than either the movie in theater or the DVD that comes out the same day.
Er... what ? Really ? That's... retarded.
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Old May 27 2013, 12:26 AM   #25
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Well as a format Blu-ray is just a fraction slower than DVD and film.

So the theatrical cut of the Blu-ray is 9 seconds longer than the DVD, despite being the exact same cut.

It's the same for all movies, put in a copy of any movie--even ones that came out same day like when Iron Man 3 comes out. The Blu-ray will be 8 to 10 seconds longer than either the movie in theater or the DVD that comes out the same day.
Er... what ? Really ? That's... retarded.
It's due to the slight difference in frame rate but it's virtually unnoticeable. It's nothing compared to the 4.2% speed up on PAL DVDs which results in a 2 hour movie running 5 minutes shorter.
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Old May 27 2013, 01:40 AM   #26
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Well as a format Blu-ray is just a fraction slower than DVD and film.

So the theatrical cut of the Blu-ray is 9 seconds longer than the DVD, despite being the exact same cut.

It's the same for all movies, put in a copy of any movie--even ones that came out same day like when Iron Man 3 comes out. The Blu-ray will be 8 to 10 seconds longer than either the movie in theater or the DVD that comes out the same day.
Er... what ? Really ? That's... retarded.
It's due to the slight difference in frame rate but it's virtually unnoticeable. It's nothing compared to the 4.2% speed up on PAL DVDs which results in a 2 hour movie running 5 minutes shorter.

Didn't know why that was, so thanks for that info. I agree, 8 seconds over a 2 hour movie would clearly be unnoticeable. LOL.
Don't understand why it's retarded though. ??

I think Blu-rays are smarter actually.
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Old May 27 2013, 03:00 AM   #27
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Er... what ? Really ? That's... retarded.
It's due to the slight difference in frame rate but it's virtually unnoticeable. It's nothing compared to the 4.2% speed up on PAL DVDs which results in a 2 hour movie running 5 minutes shorter.
Didn't know why that was, so thanks for that info. I agree, 8 seconds over a 2 hour movie would clearly be unnoticeable. LOL.
Don't understand why it's retarded though. ??

I think Blu-rays are smarter actually.
NTSC used to run at 30 fps (60Hz) but when colour was introduced it was slowed down by 0.01% to 29.97 fps (59.94 Hz). This results in 24 fps movies being slowed down to 23.976 fps.
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Old May 27 2013, 04:10 AM   #28
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It's due to the slight difference in frame rate but it's virtually unnoticeable. It's nothing compared to the 4.2% speed up on PAL DVDs which results in a 2 hour movie running 5 minutes shorter.
Didn't know why that was, so thanks for that info. I agree, 8 seconds over a 2 hour movie would clearly be unnoticeable. LOL.
Don't understand why it's retarded though. ??

I think Blu-rays are smarter actually.
NTSC used to run at 30 fps (60Hz) but when colour was introduced it was slowed down by 0.01% to 29.97 fps (59.94 Hz). This results in 24 fps movies being slowed down to 23.976 fps.

Okay and does that mean that Blu-ray does or does not have that slow down?
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Old May 27 2013, 05:13 AM   #29
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Didn't know why that was, so thanks for that info. I agree, 8 seconds over a 2 hour movie would clearly be unnoticeable. LOL.
Don't understand why it's retarded though. ??

I think Blu-rays are smarter actually.
NTSC used to run at 30 fps (60Hz) but when colour was introduced it was slowed down by 0.01% to 29.97 fps (59.94 Hz). This results in 24 fps movies being slowed down to 23.976 fps.

Okay and does that mean that Blu-ray does or does not have that slow down?
No there is no slow down.

Blu-ray films are stored at native frame rate (24p).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc#Video

It is up to the player and/or TV settings to handle any differences.

It is only standard DVD and any other legacy NTSC formats (VHS, Laserdisc) that have the slight framerate difference.

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Old May 27 2013, 06:04 AM   #30
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^So what you are saying is that for the first time we are seeing it at the same frame rate as in a theater? That is very cool to know.

We were getting a minute speed up all these years. Thanks guys for that.
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