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Old May 13 2013, 10:28 PM   #16
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The NX ready room was a must because everyone had seen them before, seen the scenes in them and expected to have it in the stories.
Which is exactly why the show sunk like a stone. It was indicative of a larger pattern of being unable to let go of the 24th century. From the 'ready room' to phase pistols to photonic torpedoes to hull plating that acted exactly like shields to the proto-Prime Directive to the Klingons to the Borg to the Ferengi and so on...
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Old May 14 2013, 12:39 AM   #17
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Kirk: "I'll be in my bunk".
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Old May 14 2013, 01:43 AM   #18
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When we next see him, his cabin is down on Deck 12, then perhaps on Deck 3, and once on Deck 5.

So the answer might be, any Constitution skipper other than Kirk the wandering gypsy had a Ready Room and a Conference Room right next to the Main Bridge (one deck down).
The Gypsy Captain came onto the Bridge,
Up from the planet so shady,
He whistled and he sang 'til the corridors rang,
'Cuz he won the heart of a lady...




Why is it called a "ready" room, anyway? Ready for what?
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Old May 14 2013, 04:30 AM   #19
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Why is it called a "ready" room, anyway? Ready for what?
Another misapplication of naval terminology. A ready room is a room on an aircraft carrier where on-duty pilots stand by, ready to go to their planes. It's really his office of his sea (space) cabin, since it does feature a bed, even if he was never shown using it.

Likewise, the Captain's Yacht should have been the Captain's Gig.
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Old May 14 2013, 05:59 AM   #20
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Kirk supposedly flew the very same ship ...
But something happened; perhaps the ship was refitted and these spaces had to be sacrificed
At some point, the crew compliment of the Enterprise more than doubled, Dax spoke of how the crew was "really packed in."

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Old May 14 2013, 08:13 AM   #21
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Likewise, the Captain's Yacht should have been the Captain's Gig.
Since the thing never saw use in TNG, we might just as well decide it was indeed the Captain's very own civilian yacht, docked to his starship because rank hath its privileges.

Heck, the E-E yacht had a dedication plaque identifying Picard by name - an unlikely feature in a craft supposed to be part of the permanent complement of a starship where commanding officers come and go, but quite to be expected aboard a private craft belonging to a single person!

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Old May 14 2013, 09:24 AM   #22
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Likewise, the Captain's Yacht should have been the Captain's Gig.
Since the thing never saw use in TNG, we might just as well decide it was indeed the Captain's very own civilian yacht, docked to his starship because rank hath its privileges.

Heck, the E-E yacht had a dedication plaque identifying Picard by name - an unlikely feature in a craft supposed to be part of the permanent complement of a starship where commanding officers come and go, but quite to be expected aboard a private craft belonging to a single person!

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The full text of the Cousteau dedication plaque is, according to Memory Alpha:

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"The future is in the hands of those who explore... and from all the beauty they discover while crossing perpetually receding frontiers, they develop for nature and for humankind an infinite love." – Capt. Jacques-Yves Cousteau
If the yacht were a private craft, then why would its plaque have the registry number of the Enterprise-E on it?

In the age of replicators, what's the big deal about having personalized engravings hanging about? The TOS Enterprise had personalized signs outside crew quarters, for instance. Those would have to be changed whenever quarters were reassigned.
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Old May 14 2013, 06:24 PM   #23
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The NX ready room was a must because everyone had seen them before, seen the scenes in them and expected to have it in the stories.
Which is exactly why the show sunk like a stone. It was indicative of a larger pattern of being unable to let go of the 24th century. From the 'ready room' to phase pistols to photonic torpedoes to hull plating that acted exactly like shields to the proto-Prime Directive to the Klingons to the Borg to the Ferengi and so on...
That's hardly a fair comparison. The ready room is a valuable dramatic tool, providing a space for private (and sometimes heated) duty-related talk. Not including one solely because Kirk didn't have one would have been silly. Should Columbia not have had a female captain, either?
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Old May 14 2013, 06:34 PM   #24
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^ Kirk's quarters, and the briefing room, served that role perfectly in TOS.
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Old May 14 2013, 06:44 PM   #25
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The NX ready room was a must because everyone had seen them before, seen the scenes in them and expected to have it in the stories.
Which is exactly why the show sunk like a stone. It was indicative of a larger pattern of being unable to let go of the 24th century. From the 'ready room' to phase pistols to photonic torpedoes to hull plating that acted exactly like shields to the proto-Prime Directive to the Klingons to the Borg to the Ferengi and so on...
That's hardly a fair comparison. The ready room is a valuable dramatic tool, providing a space for private (and sometimes heated) duty-related talk. Not including one solely because Kirk didn't have one would have been silly. Should Columbia not have had a female captain, either?
You're talking apples and oranges. One was a line that didn't even make sense within the context of the show (and the true meaning of the rambling was debatable at best) vs. a standing set.

They simply didn't do anything that set Enterprise apart from the other series.
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Old May 15 2013, 03:44 AM   #26
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Daniels came back from the future and stole it.
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Old May 15 2013, 05:06 AM   #27
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The sticking point, continuity-wise, is that the producers of Enterprise opted to include a ready room in their sets. With good reason, because it is a sensible narrative device for the captain to have an office right next to the nerve center.

My theory is that (for whatever reason) the original Constitution classes simply weren't built with this in mind. Maybe there was a change of attitudes on the matter of captain's being nearer the bridge compared to Archer's day, which was later reversed?

The updated bridge set seen in The Animated Series has of course got an extra door to the left of it, which Roddenberry always said led to another Turbolift. But I've always liked to imagine that it led to an airlock area including an emergency Turbolift and maybe a ready room for the captain (even though we never actually see him use it). Of course, this doesn't cover why the bridge sets in the movies don't have such a door...
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Old May 15 2013, 06:01 AM   #28
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Yeah, I think they just overlooked the need for it in TOS. If private conversations were needed, they were done in the turbo-lift, conference room, sick bay, or personal quarters. So, they may not have even considered it. Even if they did, it was probably axed because it would've required yet another set piece and added to the costs.

We do see in TNG, VOY, and ENT that the ready-room can be an essential place of business, for carrying on interactions in private. I'm certainly glad they were present in those series.
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Old May 15 2013, 06:34 AM   #29
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^ Kirk's quarters, and the briefing room, served that role perfectly in TOS.
True enough, still McCoy got to have an office, and we once heard of Scotty having one as well.

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The sticking point, continuity-wise, is that the producers of Enterprise opted to include a ready room in their sets. With good reason, because it is a sensible narrative device for the captain to have an office right next to the nerve center.
From a "in-universe" point of view, it would have been impossible for Kirk to have had a office on the same deck as the bridge. While there a degree of disagreement as to the exact layout of a Connie's top deck, most would agree that there is simply no room for a office in the area surrounding the bridge.

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Old May 15 2013, 08:05 AM   #30
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...But neither is there such a location next to the E-E bridge, and that never stopped Starfleet!

Just have the ready room something like five steps down from the (lower) floor level of Kirk's bridge and it can be included in the superstructure nicely enough, even when taking into account the visuals of "Where No Man" in TOS ad TOS-R.

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