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Old May 15 2013, 02:32 AM   #31
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Re: Does anyone else find McCoy annoying?

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McCoy was the only sane person on that ship.

Kirk: nympho.
Spock: identity problems, father-issues.
Scotty: alcoholic
Sulu: ADD
Uhura: anxiety disorder
And Chekov?
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Old May 15 2013, 03:02 AM   #32
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Re: Does anyone else find McCoy annoying?

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McCoy was the only sane person on that ship.

Kirk: nympho.
Spock: identity problems, father-issues.
Scotty: alcoholic
Sulu: ADD
Uhura: anxiety disorder
And Chekov?
Just plain uptight.
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Old May 15 2013, 09:48 PM   #33
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^ TNG had someone just like him... Dr. Pulaski in season 2.
Amen. And while I do not dislike Crusher I do, to this day, like Pulaski far better. Her "spark" was desperately needed on TNG.
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Old May 15 2013, 11:05 PM   #34
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Re: Does anyone else find McCoy annoying?

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McCoy was the only sane person on that ship.

Kirk: nympho.
Spock: identity problems, father-issues.
Scotty: alcoholic
Sulu: ADD
Uhura: anxiety disorder
And Chekov?
Overtly nationalistic, perhaps a bit xenophobic.
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Old May 16 2013, 01:44 AM   #35
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Re: Does anyone else find McCoy annoying?

The only thing that annoyed my about McCoy was his jabs at Spock which were often complaints about science in general. Yet the irony was that as a Doctor McCoy himself was a sceintists.

The 60s showed a fear of science and things like computers and ironically the writers used a science-fiction show express those fears. Then again, that is what science fiction does.
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Old May 16 2013, 02:47 AM   #36
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Nah. McCoy is great. He adds plenty of humanity, character,and, yes, attitude to the show.
Agreed. Old Bones was one of the best things about the show.
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Old May 16 2013, 03:57 AM   #37
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Re: Does anyone else find McCoy annoying?

Overall, I thought McCoy was a great character who provided a valuable contribution to TOS. However, at times I couldn't stand McCoy. In many episodes they pumped up the McCoy-Spock tension a bit much, to the point of making McCoy look like an @sshole. He'd give Spock a hard time at almost any turn, looking sorely unprofessional. These guys are military trained. I know doctors are usually less "by the book", but McCoy's needling of Spock went too far.

Anyway, it was a shame he wasn't given more "meat" to his roles in the movies. I think he could've provided more entertaining dialog.
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Old May 16 2013, 01:51 PM   #38
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When McCoy "dug" at Spock, the science officer in turn could dish it right back at the doctor. Data, on the other hand, was far more "innocent" and truly lacked understanding of human behavior. When Pulaski "zinged" him, it was basically the equivalent of kicking a puppy. I don't recall him pointing out human shortcomings because Data wanted to be "human". Now, if Data stated the various advantages of being a self aware construct, then they would have been on more equal footing. But depicted as it was, Pulaski just came across as needlessly cruel.
I think you hit all of the points; TNG wanted a "McCoy-like" doctor, but ended up with something along the lines of the "snapping, combative doctor" stereotype seen in endless sketch comedy versions of TOS.

Somehow, the TNG brain trust could not see that in order for Pulaski to be this "McCoy-like" character, and in trying to make Data the new Spock, they needed Data to be proud of his own qualities (ex. Spock resenting the mere idea of being anything close to human / pointing out human shortcomings at every turn).

Data wandering around trying to be human in his lost, childlike way meant anyone attacking him appeared to be a very abusive person.

That's the problem of trying to copy+paste character archetypes developed by another series.
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Old May 16 2013, 06:18 PM   #39
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Not Annoying but a border line Bigot if that can be used., he was not always politically correct.
I suspect modern day viewers may take McCoy's political incorrectness and bigotry much differently than old time viewers who first saw McCoy decades ago.

Back in the day, commenting on such things as McCoy does was not that unusual or unduly insensitive.

Judging him by current day standards of cultural sensitivities and political correctness may give an impression of the doctor that was not originally intended.
Funny thing is--and it may be a comment on the inner sociopolitical hypocrisy of certain ST viewers--is that Spock spent all three seasons of TOS making snide, dismissive and flat out insulting comments about humans...often.

The tone and his cultural and/or historical "observations" about humans sound very similar to the garden variety racist, but most ST fans don't even blink when Spock engages in the same ideology which earns McCoy criticism.

Would that have anything to do with the view of Spock as the resident alien abord the ship, so he's somehow protected from criticism? Are some fans incapable of seeing Spock in the same way because it just appears to be more politically incorrect when a human (McCoy) says the same thing?
This is among the best, if not the very best post I have ever come across in this forum.

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Old May 16 2013, 06:47 PM   #40
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He says loads of stuff that is un-PC but people didn't have the same level of 'everything must be equal' that they do today... Whenever he tried teasing Spock, usually Spock would come back with some witty comment.
They tried to re-create Spock/McCoy with Data/Pulaski and it didn't really work.......
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Old May 16 2013, 07:17 PM   #41
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Re: Does anyone else find McCoy annoying?

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McCoy was the only sane person on that ship.

Kirk: nympho.
Spock: identity problems, father-issues.
Scotty: alcoholic
Sulu: ADD
Uhura: anxiety disorder
Chekov: Speech impediment
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Old May 17 2013, 02:20 AM   #42
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I like McCoy. Corny and over the top sometimes,very. To me he makes most sense when interacting with Spock, when alone i didn't like him as much.

He balanced Spock out, I love the dialog between the 2. Even when Spock downright calls humans silly, they both still love each other. Like amok time when Spock invited him to the planet, and Bread and circuses when McCoy tries to thank Spock for saving his life in the arena. Sometimes I think their story is the main character of the show. Kirk is not as complex as Spock and McCoys relationship.
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Old May 17 2013, 07:03 AM   #43
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Re: Does anyone else find McCoy annoying?

I think I like McCoy the most of all. He's hilarious!
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Old May 17 2013, 04:01 PM   #44
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I think I like McCoy the most of all. He's hilarious!
McCoy the character shades a great many scenarios over the run of TOS. The interaction with Spock is simply classic; their rivalry is the stuff of fine writing and mutual if subtle character development, and speaking of character, McCoy demonstrated an abundance of it very early in the series. Despite his fears and role (more towards the back of the bus as opposed to leadership), he stepped-up and gambled his life in Miri, and later in The Empath, the latter not truly being due to anything of his hand, the former an extension of his taking responsibility on something he had worked on.

And I absolutely enjoy DeForrest Kelley's portrayal of McCoy; a character that is admittedly very human, flawed, colorful and at-times, properly over-the-top.

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Old May 17 2013, 04:23 PM   #45
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McCoy does not argue with Spock because of racist reasons. He does not believe that ignoring your emotions in favour of logic is a good idea, and will clash with Spock. He uses racial slurs as shorthand when he argues.
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