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Old May 13 2013, 10:31 AM   #16
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Re: Does anyone else find McCoy annoying?

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McCoy/Kirk interchanges in episodes such as The Ultimate Computer and A Private Little War are golden. McCoy is a great Star Trek character.
Don't forget their "Balance of Terror" scene in Kirk's quarters. "Captain, I know you don't really expect an answer-- but I've got one."
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Old May 13 2013, 10:46 AM   #17
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... and The Corbomite Maneuver ...
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Old May 13 2013, 12:02 PM   #18
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Re: Does anyone else find McCoy annoying?

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^ TNG had someone just like him... Dr. Pulaski in season 2.
It's a real shame they brought Dr. Crusher back. I liked Pulaski.
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Old May 13 2013, 01:43 PM   #19
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Not Annoying but a border line Bigot if that can be used., he was not always politically correct.
I suspect modern day viewers may take McCoy's political incorrectness and bigotry much differently than old time viewers who first saw McCoy decades ago.

Back in the day, commenting on such things as McCoy does was not that unusual or unduly insensitive.

Judging him by current day standards of cultural sensitivities and political correctness may give an impression of the doctor that was not originally intended.
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Old May 13 2013, 01:44 PM   #20
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Re: Does anyone else find McCoy annoying?

If you mentally merge McCoy and Spock in the transporter, or just philosophically, of course the result is you get Kirk.

It may not have been true in the first year, but by the second, it's virtually inescapable. Kirk is the marriage of Spock and McCoy. The synthesis of his two best friends.
And the three of them combined are almost as good as Scotty.
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Old May 13 2013, 11:39 PM   #21
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I suspect modern day viewers may take McCoy's political incorrectness and bigotry much differently than old time viewers who first saw McCoy decades ago.
Nah, it's not that.
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Old May 13 2013, 11:55 PM   #22
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I'll take colorful and cantankerous over bland and boring any day.
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Old May 14 2013, 01:14 AM   #23
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Re: Does anyone else find McCoy annoying?

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Gil T.Azell wrote: View Post
Not Annoying but a border line Bigot if that can be used., he was not always politically correct.
I suspect modern day viewers may take McCoy's political incorrectness and bigotry much differently than old time viewers who first saw McCoy decades ago.

Back in the day, commenting on such things as McCoy does was not that unusual or unduly insensitive.

Judging him by current day standards of cultural sensitivities and political correctness may give an impression of the doctor that was not originally intended.
Funny thing is--and it may be a comment on the inner sociopolitical hypocrisy of certain ST viewers--is that Spock spent all three seasons of TOS making snide, dismissive and flat out insulting comments about humans...often.

The tone and his cultural and/or historical "observations" about humans sound very similar to the garden variety racist, but most ST fans don't even blink when Spock engages in the same ideology which earns McCoy criticism.

Would that have anything to do with the view of Spock as the resident alien abord the ship, so he's somehow protected from criticism? Are some fans incapable of seeing Spock in the same way because it just appears to be more politically incorrect when a human (McCoy) says the same thing?
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Old May 14 2013, 03:13 AM   #24
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Re: Does anyone else find McCoy annoying?

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^ TNG had someone just like him... Dr. Pulaski in season 2.
Sounds like a character they should have kept... Most of what I saw was season 3.
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Old May 14 2013, 04:00 AM   #25
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First I must say that McCOY is one of my favourites. Having said that , and remembering that it was 1960s standards, his racism is too overt.

How is insulting some one for thier pointy ears or green blood different from insulting them for skin colour. (Sorry for all the extra U's I am a Canadian)

At the time it was not seen as racist , but now his comments do make me cringe at times.
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Old May 14 2013, 11:13 AM   #26
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First I must say that McCOY is one of my favourites. Having said that , and remembering that it was 1960s standards, his racism is too overt.

How is insulting some one for thier pointy ears or green blood different from insulting them for skin colour. (Sorry for all the extra U's I am a Canadian)

At the time it was not seen as racist , but now his comments do make me cringe at times.
Yeah, it's as if humanity only ever overcame its racial differences through discovering intelligent beings that were even more different.

And no need to apologize/ise for being Canadian.
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Old May 14 2013, 12:45 PM   #27
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Re: Does anyone else find McCoy annoying?

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First I must say that McCOY is one of my favourites. Having said that , and remembering that it was 1960s standards, his racism is too overt.

How is insulting some one for thier pointy ears or green blood different from insulting them for skin colour. (Sorry for all the extra U's I am a Canadian)

At the time it was not seen as racist , but now his comments do make me cringe at times.
Just the same, Spock's frequent racially motivated insults about all things human was not the most evolved stand to take--for one alleged to be so "above" the petty, divisive nature of humanity.
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Old May 14 2013, 12:53 PM   #28
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Re: Does anyone else find McCoy annoying?

I liked it. Much better than what they tried to emulate wth Pulaski/Data.
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Old May 14 2013, 05:49 PM   #29
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Re: Does anyone else find McCoy annoying?

One can see the intent that was made with Pulaski, but it execution it faltered. Someone else stated it far better than I suspect I can, but here goes... When McCoy "dug" at Spock, the science officer in turn could dish it right back at the doctor. Data, on the other hand, was far more "innocent" and truly lacked understanding of human behavior. When Pulaski "zinged" him, it was basically the equivalent of kicking a puppy. I don't recall him pointing out human shortcomings because Data wanted to be "human". Now, if Data stated the various advantages of being a self aware construct, then they would have been on more equal footing. But depicted as it was, Pulaski just came across as needlessly cruel.

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Old May 14 2013, 05:52 PM   #30
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Re: Does anyone else find McCoy annoying?

McCoy was the only sane person on that ship.

Kirk: nympho.
Spock: identity problems, father-issues.
Scotty: alcoholic
Sulu: ADD
Uhura: anxiety disorder
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