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Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

View Poll Results: Grade "Nightmare in Silver"
Excellent! 21 18.75%
Great 46 41.07%
Average 36 32.14%
DELETE! 6 5.36%
"Iron Man 3" was better" 3 2.68%
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Old May 13 2013, 11:00 PM   #136
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Re: 7X12 Nightmare in Silver(Grading/Discussion)(SPOILERS)

We're ranking the season now? Sounds like fun. Is it the whole season or the 2013 part:

Entire Season

Asylum of the Daleks
Cold War
The Angels Take Manhatten
A Town Called Mercy
Nightmare in Silver
The Crimson Horror
The Bells of St. John
Hide
The Snowmen
Dinosaurs on a Spaceship
The Power of 3
The Rings of Akhaten
Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS

2013 Only

Cold War
Nightmare in Silver
The Crimson Horror
The Bells of St. John
Hide
The Rings of Akhaten
Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS

I'm a little surprised I ranked Nightmare in Silver so highly but this might have been the episode where Matt Smith showed his most range as an actor. It was really great to watch him work. JTTCOTT might have been the most disappointing episode of Doctor Who I've ever watched. Unless it wasn't a total reset (And my rankings might improve with this episode this weekend), this was the one episode where they could have tackled the "Impossible Girl" storyline head on and they chickened out.
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Old May 13 2013, 11:33 PM   #137
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Asylum of the Daleks
Cold War
Hide
Nightmare in Silver
The Angels Take Manhatten
The Crimson Horror
The Bells of St. John
A Town Called Mercy
Dinosaurs on a Spaceship
Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS
The Power of 3
The Rings of Akhaten

I'd probably put it all somewhere around this order. I'm really surprised how low Hide is getting ranked around here.
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Old May 13 2013, 11:46 PM   #138
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Whole Season:

* Asylum of the Daleks
* Cold War
* Journey to the Center of the TARDIS
* Dinosaurs on a Spaceship
* The Angels Take Manhatten (before someone asks why down the list and not #1: It was a great episode, but felt a bit over the top)
* Hide & The Snowmen
* The Bells of St. JohnA Town Called Mercy
* The Crimson Horror
* The Rings of Akhaten
* The Power of 3
* Nightmare in Silver
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Old May 13 2013, 11:59 PM   #139
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1. Coldwar
2.Nightmare in Silver
3. The Bells of St. John/ Hide
4. Journey to the Center of the TARDIS
5.The Crimson Horror
6. Rings of Akhaten

I was surprised I couldn't really get into the Crimson Horror episode...I do like Madam Vasatra, Strax, and Jenny, but something about the episode turned me off.
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Old May 14 2013, 12:03 AM   #140
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I actually don't think it's that at all. CyberDoctor wondered why the Doctor thought about Clara so much. The obvious conclusion is that he was attracted to her, but that's incorrect. Or, at least not the main reason. It's because she's the impossible girl.

I thought it was great that Clara knew that wasn't the Doctor because she knows he doesn't see her that way. Although, it was lame how the CyberDoctor was still able to destroy the detonator which she conveniently brought to him.

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I'm not talking about that moment, or the time with the Doctor and CyberDoctor arguing in his head. I know that was fake. I'm talking about the last moment of the episode before the teaser. I'm not usually a shipper. And I don't know if I want these two to get together yet, but how do you interpret the last line?

"Impossible girl! A mystery wrapped in an enigma squeezed into a skirt just a little too....tight...." (and then his face, as he slips off into a reverie for a few seconds, smiles, then snaps out of it, looking appalled with himself) "What are you?!"

He finds her attractive and he doesn't want to. It's funny. I don't see how else one can interpret that last scene.
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Old May 14 2013, 12:31 AM   #141
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I agree with Cold War and Bells of St. John, why on earth does everyone like Crimson horror so much? Was appalling.
Probably because most of us actually like Vastra, Jenny, and Strax.
Why? They're awful. Turning villains into allies never works. I think we've seen the lesbian Silurian in more stories than the others now which to me is a real middle finger, and that's almost the same with Strax. Silurian's do not belong in Victorian London being lesbians, they belong with other Silurians in some sort of situation. Also, enough with the silurians with human faces, I thought he original conception of the silurians was that they don't have human faces.

And Sontarans. They are probably in the top five most iconic doctor who villains list, and one's an ally to the doctor? NO NO NO! Awful. And the lesbian chick's kinda plain.


I don't know what to tell you. I don't care if villains turn into allies if it's done in an entertaining way. I think the Sontarans are ridiculous enemies anyway; they look like potatoes.

As individual characters, I find Vastra, Jenny, and Strax fun to watch. That's all I require.
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Old May 14 2013, 12:45 AM   #142
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^ Yup.
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Old May 14 2013, 01:19 AM   #143
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I agree with Cold War and Bells of St. John, why on earth does everyone like Crimson horror so much? Was appalling.
Probably because most of us actually like Vastra, Jenny, and Strax.
Why? They're awful. Turning villains into allies never works. I think we've seen the lesbian Silurian in more stories than the others now which to me is a real middle finger, and that's almost the same with Strax. Silurian's do not belong in Victorian London being lesbians, they belong with other Silurians in some sort of situation. Also, enough with the silurians with human faces, I thought he original conception of the silurians was that they don't have human faces.

And Sontarans. They are probably in the top five most iconic doctor who villains list, and one's an ally to the doctor? NO NO NO! Awful. And the lesbian chick's kinda plain.
Silurians never really were villains, so there's nothing wrong with the Doctor befriending one. As for Strax, so what? One Sontaran is friend with the Doctor. People are allowed to be individuals, even in a race of cloned alien soldiers. I'm sure the rest of the Sontarans will gladly try to defeat the Doctor and chant "Sontar-Ha!" when next they meet.

Actually, a storyline I want to see is Strax having a reunion with the Sontarans, but ends up betraying them in defense of Vastra and Jenny. Cliched as fuck, but it would certainly be awesome.
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Old May 14 2013, 03:00 AM   #144
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I actually don't think it's that at all. CyberDoctor wondered why the Doctor thought about Clara so much. The obvious conclusion is that he was attracted to her, but that's incorrect. Or, at least not the main reason. It's because she's the impossible girl.

I thought it was great that Clara knew that wasn't the Doctor because she knows he doesn't see her that way. Although, it was lame how the CyberDoctor was still able to destroy the detonator which she conveniently brought to him.

Mr Awe
I'm not talking about that moment, or the time with the Doctor and CyberDoctor arguing in his head. I know that was fake. I'm talking about the last moment of the episode before the teaser. I'm not usually a shipper. And I don't know if I want these two to get together yet, but how do you interpret the last line?

"Impossible girl! A mystery wrapped in an enigma squeezed into a skirt just a little too....tight...." (and then his face, as he slips off into a reverie for a few seconds, smiles, then snaps out of it, looking appalled with himself) "What are you?!"

He finds her attractive and he doesn't want to. It's funny. I don't see how else one can interpret that last scene.
Could be that he now realizes his attraction, or a bit of the CyberPlanner is coming through.
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Old May 14 2013, 03:48 AM   #145
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He did, I was just suggesting cybergnats as a play on cybermats. Cybermite is a visual play, I was making an aural pun. I did think MS might say that before he said mite.
If it weren't for the necessity of the "Cyber" prefix, I would have called them "silverfish". They look and move almost exactly like real-life silverfish (I imagine that was their inspiration) and it has the "silver" adjective that is associated with the Cybermen in episode titles.
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Could be that he now realizes his attraction, or a bit of the CyberPlanner is coming through.
Perhaps. After all, the CyberPlanner did threaten to "strip [her] down" for spare parts.
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Old May 14 2013, 04:10 AM   #147
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I think it's quite probable that the secret of Clara's nature will have something to do with why he is so attracted to her, beyond just the mystery.

Nice to hear an ansible reference...
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Why? They're awful. Turning villains into allies never works. I think we've seen the lesbian Silurian in more stories than the others now which to me is a real middle finger, and that's almost the same with Strax. Silurian's do not belong in Victorian London being lesbians, they belong with other Silurians in some sort of situation. Also, enough with the silurians with human faces, I thought he original conception of the silurians was that they don't have human faces.

And Sontarans. They are probably in the top five most iconic doctor who villains list, and one's an ally to the doctor? NO NO NO! Awful. And the lesbian chick's kinda plain.
Are you hinting that that they might be lesbians? You seem to mention it in every post when it's not actually relevant to the discussion at hand.

As for for the idea that the Sontarans being only bad guys - bit of an odd claim considering that they are the good guys in their second appearance!
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Why? They're awful. Turning villains into allies never works. I think we've seen the lesbian Silurian in more stories than the others now which to me is a real middle finger, and that's almost the same with Strax. Silurian's do not belong in Victorian London being lesbians, they belong with other Silurians in some sort of situation. Also, enough with the silurians with human faces, I thought he original conception of the silurians was that they don't have human faces.

And Sontarans. They are probably in the top five most iconic doctor who villains list, and one's an ally to the doctor? NO NO NO! Awful. And the lesbian chick's kinda plain.
Are you hinting that that they might be lesbians? You seem to mention it in every post when it's not actually relevant to the discussion at hand.

As for for the idea that the Sontarans being only bad guys - bit of an odd claim considering that they are the good guys in their second appearance!
This show needs more Rutan lesbians.
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