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Old October 11 2013, 07:12 AM   #1
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Could the EMH relieve Janeway?

I know that they slowly made the EMH an actual member of the crew and grew the character, but if it came down to it could he have formally relieved Janeway of duty? Since he wasn't a ranking officer would he have been able to make it work officially? For example, if he thought that Janeway was unfit for duty due to having a severe concussion and he said she was relieved would she be bound by that order or is it a suggestion from what is passing as chief medical officer?
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Old October 11 2013, 07:21 AM   #2
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Re: Could the EMH relieve Janeway?

She can turn him off..
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Old October 11 2013, 07:34 AM   #3
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Re: Could the EMH relieve Janeway?

Not after Equinox she couldn't.

The CMO outranks the Captain in medical decisions.

It would be a mutiny for everyone else to side with the Captain over the Doct...

Isn't that a definitive answer to the Tuvix Question?

The Doctor said "No" and Janeway proved that she was above the law?
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Old October 11 2013, 08:41 AM   #4
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Re: Could the EMH relieve Janeway?

It all depends on those pesky little regulations. We know that the CMO out ranks the Captain in medical matters, the question is did they up date the regulations to account for the loss of the entire medical staff and having the EMH as the ranking medical officer. If the regulations hadn't been changed then under the spirit of the law I would say yes, under the letter thats a little more grey.

But one con almost imagine something like this.

EMH: "Captain I relive.."
Janeway (interrpupting): "Computer End Program"
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Old October 11 2013, 08:48 AM   #5
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Re: Could the EMH relieve Janeway?

He tried that in Year of Hell and she basically told him to piss off.
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Old October 11 2013, 09:00 AM   #6
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Re: Could the EMH relieve Janeway?

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It all depends on those pesky little regulations. We know that the CMO out ranks the Captain in medical matters, the question is did they up date the regulations to account for the loss of the entire medical staff and having the EMH as the ranking medical officer. If the regulations hadn't been changed then under the spirit of the law I would say yes, under the letter thats a little more grey.

But one con almost imagine something like this.

EMH: "Captain I relive.."
Janeway (interrpupting): "Computer End Program"
Given how the program is used back in the Federation, all those holodocs shoveling coal or whatever, my guess is the EMH won't be able to do anything to the captain as he isn't an officer of Starfleet, he's a computer program. She might get admonished for ignoring or overruling the program, but that would be about it.
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Old October 11 2013, 09:20 AM   #7
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Re: Could the EMH relieve Janeway?

MacLeod wrote: View Post
But one con almost imagine something like this.

EMH: "Captain I relive.."
Janeway (interrpupting): "Computer End Program"
I'd rather she said "delete" in between computer and programme, but that's just me

Technically as CMO he has the authority to relieve anyone of their duties on medical grounds, however given his galaxy-wide ego you'd have to wonder of his ethics, especially after he had the [shudder] ECH extension pack.

Doctor: Captain I relieve you of duty, effective immediately. Computer initiate ECH subroutine. [laughs maniacally]
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Old October 11 2013, 10:32 AM   #8
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Re: Could the EMH relieve Janeway?

Voyager's EMH deleted Equinox's EMH.

It's almost like the wrong phrase out of context could have accidentally deleted an EMH at any point anywhere.
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Old October 11 2013, 05:43 PM   #9
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Re: Could the EMH relieve Janeway?

You'd think they'd have kept the Equinox EMH. If it's that easy to turn him from good to evil with a single command, you'd think the reverse is true. Two doctors would be useful to say the least.
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Old October 11 2013, 05:50 PM   #10
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Re: Could the EMH relieve Janeway?

^ Those two would have been constantly arguing with each other as to who got to wear the mobile emitter that day.
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Old October 11 2013, 07:30 PM   #11
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Re: Could the EMH relieve Janeway?

So I'm the only one that's noticed that relieve is another word for urinate?
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Old October 11 2013, 08:12 PM   #12
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Re: Could the EMH relieve Janeway?

It's a Starfleet term for, "Piss off."
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Old October 11 2013, 08:48 PM   #13
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Re: Could the EMH relieve Janeway?

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He tried that in Year of Hell and she basically told him to piss off.
He'd have to copy-paste himself and spam attack her like Agent Smith to stop her.
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Old October 11 2013, 08:53 PM   #14
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Cut and paste.

There is no copy and paste option.
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Old October 11 2013, 10:00 PM   #15
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Re: Could the EMH relieve Janeway?

For the Doctor to relieve the Captain of duty, in practice, I think he would have needed Chakotay and Tuvok to back him up. And it would have led to one of those tense authority battles.

Chakotay "Captain, you're clearly in no medical condition to make command decisions right now. Lieutenant, escort Captain Janeway to her quarters!"
Janeway "Your orders are to escort Commander Chakotay to the brig, and disable the Doctor's program."
Lieutenant (Thinking) "FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK"
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