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Old May 12 2013, 03:56 AM   #76
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Am I the only one who didn't have a problem with the line?
I didn't either...
Same. I thought it was great, particularly when followed up by that amazing shot of the Vengeance flying past the Enterprise.
This one had more context than the first time. I also liked it.
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Old May 12 2013, 06:41 AM   #77
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People have the strangest complaints.
Yep.

I just don't get it. Should he have screamed, "Noooooooo!" instead?
He shouldn't have screamed anything! He's a Vulcan!

Remember how he looked when his mom died? He wasn't screaming then!
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Old May 12 2013, 06:56 AM   #78
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People have the strangest complaints.
Yep.

I just don't get it. Should he have screamed, "Noooooooo!" instead?
He shouldn't have screamed anything! He's a Vulcan!

Remember how he looked when his mom died? He wasn't screaming then!
Instead he beat the holy living crap out of Kirk and behaved completely irrationally when he THREW Kirk off the ship.

Ya know, onto the frozen Hell with the Ice Gorilla and that red thing?
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Old May 12 2013, 06:57 AM   #79
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I'm not sure why Spock blamed Khan. It was Admiral Marcus' who crippled the Enterprise, it was his plan that got them into that situation. Or have I forgotten something?
But Khan was still alive and Marcus was not.

And it was Marcus' fault but if Khan had stuck to the agreement Kirk need not have sacrificed himself
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Old May 12 2013, 10:26 AM   #80
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I went to see it last night, the cinema was crowded, and everyone was as silent as a grave during that scene. In all honesty, I think most people who go in to see this don't even know TWOK, or aren't as attached to Trek lore (and iconic quotes) as we are. The people I went to the cinema with were sort of aware of Khan, but had no idea that this scene was taken right out of an older version of the story.

I like it when NuSpock flips his shit when something awful happens.

And I do agree, people have the strangest complaints. It was one line. It's easy to ignore if you don't like it.
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Old May 12 2013, 10:54 AM   #81
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I'm not sure why Spock blamed Khan. It was Admiral Marcus' who crippled the Enterprise, it was his plan that got them into that situation. Or have I forgotten something?
But Khan was still alive and Marcus was not.

And it was Marcus' fault but if Khan had stuck to the agreement Kirk need not have sacrificed himself
And Spock had just been told by his older self about Khan and what happened in WoK. IIRC, he paged all the medical staff afterward, anticipating having to sacrifice himself. Then after the near-crash he runs belowdecks and finds Kirk has done what he "should" have.

I'm gonna see it again in a couple of days. I hope that scene and the motivations play better for me.
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Old May 12 2013, 02:27 PM   #82
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I had no problem with the scene... It's already been established in ST '09 that NuSpock has problems controlling his emotions, since his mother and his whole home planet have been destroyed (I find that very plausible, especially since he's half-human). So when he lost it when Kirk died, I thought it seemed... logical (I'm sorry, lol). The 'KHAAAAAN' quote had enough motivation behind it, and sure it might be a bit cheesy, but to me, it (that whole part of the movie, really) came off as a tribute to one of Trek's finest stories.
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Old May 12 2013, 03:28 PM   #83
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I think that "Khaaaaan" scream was borderline parody, and I wonder if the creators meant to make the audience cry or laugh in that moment. In other words: Was this intentionally or unintentionally "funny"?
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Old May 12 2013, 03:42 PM   #84
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Yep.

I just don't get it. Should he have screamed, "Noooooooo!" instead?
He shouldn't have screamed anything! He's a Vulcan!

Remember how he looked when his mom died? He wasn't screaming then!
Instead he beat the holy living crap out of Kirk and behaved completely irrationally when he THREW Kirk off the ship.

Ya know, onto the frozen Hell with the Ice Gorilla and that red thing?
Yep. Spock is not emotionless. That was part of his appeal in TOS. He falls back on his Vulcan philosophy for comfort (at least a Vulcan version of it) as if it's his religion. But being emotionless is no more in a Vulcan's DNA than being a Lutheran or Methodist is in a human's DNA, and people are going to slip. He held his grief and anger in over the death of his mom and the loss of Vulcan for so long out of a sense of duty that when it all finally came out, he nearly killed Kirk.

The mind meld scene between Kirk and Spock Prime was also an excellent example of how Vulcans mearly mute outward emotions. When the meld is broken, Kirk is overwhelmed with emotions. Emotions that are Spock Prime's. Spock Prime apologizes, saying that emotional transference is a side effect of the process. "Then you do feel," is Kirk's realization.
In another line from ST09, Spock Prime tells Kirk, "Believe me...I am emotionally compromised." What a wonderfully understated Spock-like admission of the true pain and grief he's hiding, delivered beautifully by Nimoy.

Now, there are thousands of ways to kill off a character (like shooting him in the back but realizing that's too lame, so having him fall to his death from a bridge, instead). So maybe this one in STID scores a zero for originality, but it's the first time it happened to this Kirk or this Spock. And it's still a better death scene than Kirk Prime got.
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Old May 12 2013, 04:29 PM   #85
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I'm still somewhat on the fence about this scene, maybe a re-watch will change it but at the moment I'm thinking that this scene was one scene too many in call backs to TWOK.
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Old May 12 2013, 06:53 PM   #86
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Of course Spock screams. How can we forget this gem from TOS..."THE WOMEN!"?
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Old May 12 2013, 06:59 PM   #87
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Of course Spock screams. How can we forget this gem from TOS..."THE WOMEN!"?
He should have yelled that instead. Womanizer nuKirk is dead, now it's nuSpock's chance to catch them all. And I don't mean STIDs.
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Old May 13 2013, 04:26 PM   #88
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Now that I've finally seen the film in English, Spock's scream is even less problematic for me. The "n" in Khan is cut away in such a way that it seems more like an inarticulate scream.
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Old May 13 2013, 05:02 PM   #89
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Of course Spock screams. How can we forget this gem from TOS..."THE WOMEN!"?
He should have yelled that instead. Womanizer nuKirk is dead, now it's nuSpock's chance to catch them all. And I don't mean STIDs.
I will fan edit this when the DVD is available.
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Old May 14 2013, 03:16 AM   #90
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Yep.

I just don't get it. Should he have screamed, "Noooooooo!" instead?
He shouldn't have screamed anything! He's a Vulcan!

Remember how he looked when his mom died? He wasn't screaming then!
Instead he beat the holy living crap out of Kirk and behaved completely irrationally when he THREW Kirk off the ship.

Ya know, onto the frozen Hell with the Ice Gorilla and that red thing?
But Kirk wasn't even suppose to be there!
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