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Old May 10 2013, 12:24 PM   #16
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Why would Spock do that? He didn't yell when Nero killed his moms.
The explanation was given in the dialogue in Mudd's ship.
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Old May 10 2013, 12:29 PM   #17
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Just a general observation about the Khaaaaaan!!! line: Both, fans who liked/loved the movie and those who didn't, seem to be united in their dismissal of that line. It's seldom that a thing about a movie – especially a Trek movie – is able to evoke such a universal dislike. Somehow that's really fascinating.
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Old May 10 2013, 12:42 PM   #18
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I def thought it was the worst part of the movie, especially since the death scene was very good.
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Old May 10 2013, 12:42 PM   #19
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I thought Spock had a lot more reason to dislike Khan at that point in STID (when he yelled 'Khan') while Khan really had not begun to hurt Kirk in TWOK (when Kirk yelled it)
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Old May 10 2013, 12:43 PM   #20
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Just a general observation about the Khaaaaaan!!! line: Both, fans who liked/loved the movie and those who didn't, seem to be united in their dismissal of that line. It's seldom that a thing about a movie – especially a Trek movie – is able to evoke such a universal dislike. Somehow that's really fascinating.
I don't dislike it.
Perhaps it is there not only as a reference to TWoK but also as a mirror to Nero's "SPOOOOCK!!!1!!1!", showing that loss after loss after loss can drive anyone absolutely bonkers.
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Old May 10 2013, 12:58 PM   #21
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I'll be waiting to see what Shatner has to say about this.
He might take a while but I doubt he will not comment on it eventually. It should be funny.
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Old May 10 2013, 01:20 PM   #22
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The line worked in context, but as a fan of nuTrek and old trek, it took me out a little.

As soon as the number was mentioned and I saw the first person in cryo I knew instantly who Cumberbatch was, so the reveal for me was a very *sigh* moment.
But when Spock screams Khan I just squirmed a bit in the seat. Was it necessary? Contextually yes. Homage/reference? No. Just too obvious a thing to put in the 'reverse TWOK death scene'

JJ basically remade TWOK.

Enjoyable, good film, great callbacks and new stuff and acting.
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Old May 10 2013, 01:28 PM   #23
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A while ago I said that I think Kirk's simple, almost faint "No..." after Spock died in TWOK was one of the finest acting moments in the Star Trek films. And Spock was dead. No cop out. The cop out only came in the next film, but the entire film was devoted to it, it was not just a hand wave.

Now that I learned that Sylar starts screaming KHHHHAAAAAN after Kirk dies (and after that they actually push the reset button that Bob Orci always said doesn't exist anymore in his new approach), I can't stop chuckling inside. Quality really increased in this new film series.


So far, the two films have been, and always shall be, a reference fest of TWOK.
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Old May 10 2013, 02:00 PM   #24
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JJ basically remade TWOK.
No, he did not.
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I really don't think it was in anyway a remake. Not even close.
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Old May 10 2013, 02:37 PM   #26
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I really don't think it was in anyway a remake. Not even close.
Yep, they remade a scene (which was actually nicely done) and reused a famous line (which was godawful and killed said scene), but otherwise the film couldn't be more different to "Space Seed" or "Wrath of Khan". Different situations, different motivations, different story.
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Old May 10 2013, 02:54 PM   #27
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I absolutely loved that line!
I think Quinto delivered it perfectly!

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I really don't think it was in anyway a remake. Not even close.
Yep, they remade a scene (which was actually nicely done) and reused a famous line (which was godawful and killed said scene), but otherwise the film couldn't be more different to "Space Seed" or "Wrath of Khan". Different situations, different motivations, different story.
Yeah. WOK had the good sense not to send the Enterprise underwater.
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Old May 10 2013, 02:56 PM   #29
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Why would Spock do that? He didn't yell when Nero killed his moms.
He only had one mom.

Okay that's totally being a pedantic git but I just spent five minutes thinking about a children's book called "Spock has Two Mommies" and wondering who Amanda would be paired up with (Vulcan I would think) and how that would work out.

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I also didn't like the way it was executed. It was too fast to have an actual impact ... and Quinto is no Shatner ...
It was a rush job with the tribble hanging over it mocking the whole thing.
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I really don't think it was in anyway a remake. Not even close.
Yep, they remade a scene (which was actually nicely done) and reused a famous line (which was godawful and killed said scene), but otherwise the film couldn't be more different to "Space Seed" or "Wrath of Khan". Different situations, different motivations, different story.
Yeah. WOK had the good sense not to send the Enterprise underwater.
Yeah, it only had magic torpedoes making habitable planets out of thin air and bringing the dead back in child form in the process.
Much better.
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