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Old February 18 2014, 05:16 PM   #1321
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Re: The Walking Dead Season 4

More accurately they've used three sets of twins for Judith. One set for each age she's been so far over the course of the series. (The infant when she was first born, the slightly older baby for later in the season and now for toddler Judith.)
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Old February 18 2014, 05:33 PM   #1322
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More accurately they've used three sets of twins for Judith. One set for each age she's been so far over the course of the series. (The infant when she was first born, the slightly older baby for later in the season and now for toddler Judith.)
Ahh, thanks for the clarification,that seems like MORE of hassle, especially to keep re-casting for her.
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Old February 18 2014, 08:41 PM   #1323
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I think Terminus must be the place they heard the radio signal from when they drove into that horde. I don't think that's going to be a place they actually want to be in.

The baby scene really had me concerned. It's weird when you can just watch zombies decapitated in gruesome ways and be fine with it, but then Judith being suffocated by another child just makes you squirm. Maybe it's because she had just been revealed to be alive and ok, and it's like now you're going to kill her? I really thought Lizzie was going to kill Judith because Lizzie is damn crazy.

And now that Carol is back, I'm guessing she is going to further influence Lizzie into doing something terrible. It's going to happen. They're not just setting all this psycho stuff up so that she won't be doing something terrible. I thought Judith was going to be it. Maybe it still could be. Carol is going to be the perfect person to bring that insanity fully out.
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Old February 18 2014, 09:57 PM   #1324
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I think Judith won't be much of a role, just a hindrance at best that they have to keep reminding us exists. I don't think they'll worry too much about bottles, diapers and such unless they need to as MacGuffin to get our characters in trouble or to cause something to happen. But it *is* possible at some point they may need to kill her off otherwise they're going to need one serious pool of babies and toddlers for the rest of the series.
Yeah, on the talking Dead they said they currently use 3 sets of twins and a fake doll to play Judith, seems like more hassle than it's worth, they had an out, I wish they had taken it.
I think it would great if TV-Judith survives, while experienced, tough, or at least weapons-familiar adults (ex. Shane, Merle, Andrea, et al) could nout, no matter the circumstance. It would give the show something it desperately needs: a small sense of hope.
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Old February 18 2014, 10:01 PM   #1325
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And now that Carol is back, I'm guessing she is going to further influence Lizzie into doing something terrible. It's going to happen. They're not just setting all this psycho stuff up so that she won't be doing something terrible. I thought Judith was going to be it. Maybe it still could be. Carol is going to be the perfect person to bring that insanity fully out.
No, Carol is rational: she's not sadistic, but a realist. I can see TV-Carol having to step in when Lizzie finally goes too far (you can imagine what I mean by that), and kill the girl--moments before, she will explain that her lessons about survival did not mean enjoying murder and blood (Governor territory).
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Old February 19 2014, 05:18 PM   #1326
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Carol is back. I like that.

Yep, Lizzie's a psycho. It's wholly realistic that certain people would manifest symptoms like Lizzie's in response to such a bloody apocalypse claiming the lives of those they love in such a gruesome way and to the idea that it's potentially never ending. I like it. I like that it's in the form of a little girl. I like that Carol deftly lied to Tyrese. Why shouldn't she lie? She doesn't think they'll ever seen anyone at the prison again anyway.

Of course, I suspect they'll all meet up eventually and then the shit will really hit the fan. I can't imagine Daryl not being happy to see her....and then immediately asking Carol point blank about the deaths she supposedly caused. Was it Lizzie? I can buy that it was.

Also....is Beth Greene not the most inconsequential character of the lot? It's the actress, I think. She's got nothing going on. Emily Kinney really suffers in comparison to Lauren Cohan and her castmates.
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Old February 19 2014, 08:33 PM   #1327
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Yeah, if the story plays out like I think it will, things with little Lizzy Borden are going to come to a head real soon.
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Old February 19 2014, 08:55 PM   #1328
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She's definitely going to flip and kill someone. My thoughts on who:
- Her sister, Mika. This seems the most likely to me because she's pretty disposable as a character anyway and it would be really cruel. Lizzie also gets quite upset at her sister.
- Judith. Moving from animals to something not quite as cognizant, like a baby, might be the logical progression. It's already been hinted at, but who knows if she'll follow through. This would open the door for Carl having to kill her.
- Carol. It would just be ironic if the one who taught Lizzie to defend herself is the one who ends up being murdered by her. Although an adult might be too much of a stretch at this point for murder, unless she really did kill Karen (I don't think she did for a number of reasons). Also, the woman she shot not withstanding since that was more self defense than murder in cold blood. The death of Carol might also have the most impact too since the others I mentioned aren't characters we're invested in. Although her psycho act might be more of a catalyst for Rick/Carl to go nutso on her. I just don't see why they would build this up all season if she isn't going to do something impactful.

I also think that whoever she kills, it's not going to be a head-piercing. She's going to want them back as a zombie.
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Old February 20 2014, 12:34 AM   #1329
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She's definitely going to flip and kill someone. My thoughts on who:
- Her sister, Mika. This seems the most likely to me because she's pretty disposable as a character anyway and it would be really cruel. Lizzie also gets quite upset at her sister.
Probably the murder that will take place.


Carol. It would just be ironic if the one who taught Lizzie to defend herself is the one who ends up being murdered by her.
This is a possibility only in the event Lizzie sees Carol as not being willing to "get bloody" to survive (a replay of one of Shane's motives for the attempted murder of Rick). Still, bringing Carol back, only to have "her girl" killer is entirely too predictable (for me, anyway), and would make the producers look like they were trying to go for yet another shock death of a major character.

Enough of that.


I also think that whoever she kills, it's not going to be a head-piercing. She's going to want them back as a zombie.
That was too telegraphed in Lizzie's prison fence scenes.

Moreover, we have already witnessed humans not accepting walkers as the dead (the Greene family's barn, the Governor with his rotten daughter), so we do not to see Lizzie "zombieize" someone, as it has been explored across two seasons.

There's nothing creepy or psychotic about Lizzie being clueless or naive (as indicated by Carl in the fence scene with Lizzie).
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Old February 20 2014, 12:41 AM   #1330
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There's nothing creepy or psychotic about Lizzie being clueless or naive (as indicated by Carl in the fence scene with Lizzie).
There sorta is about her intently smoothering a baby !
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Old February 20 2014, 07:36 AM   #1331
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There's nothing creepy or psychotic about Lizzie being clueless or naive (as indicated by Carl in the fence scene with Lizzie).
There sorta is about her intently smoothering a baby !
That line about "clueless and naive" was a reference to her idea of walkers at the fence. Judith is alive--that's the drama or creepy part of her journey. But her fence fantasy of zombies being humans simply coming back / giving them names is just plain stupid. Even her younger sister keyed in on that. Lizzie's most "WTF?" moment was her circling her shoe in spilled blood.

She's such a "devil child" plot device, that in a sense, I ca see why some fans want her story line over as soon as possible.
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Old February 20 2014, 07:46 AM   #1332
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Well yeah, until she randomly killed some baby rabbits out of boredom this week.
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Old February 20 2014, 11:12 AM   #1333
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She's definitely going to flip and kill someone. My thoughts on who:
- Her sister, Mika. This seems the most likely to me because she's pretty disposable as a character anyway and it would be really cruel. Lizzie also gets quite upset at her sister.
I can see that happening as a result of her learning that Carol killed the other two. "Well, Carol did it. Mika was holding us back as much as the sick people."
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Old February 20 2014, 05:17 PM   #1334
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There's nothing creepy or psychotic about Lizzie being clueless or naive (as indicated by Carl in the fence scene with Lizzie).
There sorta is about her intently smoothering a baby !
That line about "clueless and naive" was a reference to her idea of walkers at the fence. Judith is alive--that's the drama or creepy part of her journey. But her fence fantasy of zombies being humans simply coming back / giving them names is just plain stupid. Even her younger sister keyed in on that. Lizzie's most "WTF?" moment was her circling her shoe in spilled blood.

She's such a "devil child" plot device, that in a sense, I ca see why some fans want her story line over as soon as possible.
She wasn't really treating the walkers at the fence as humans, or the walker on the catwalk in the Hershel episode, she's treating the more like pets.
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Old February 20 2014, 06:11 PM   #1335
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Yep. I know we've discussed Lizzie killing Karen and the other guy before, and I think it's still a strong possibility, with Carol trying to cover it up in her motherly way. Lizzie could also kill her sister, paralleling a similar comic plotline, albeit with less innocence.

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