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Old February 17 2014, 06:26 AM   #1261
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So, now that we've seen Lizzie killing bunnies does anyone still doubt she was the one dissecting rats back at the prison?
Lizzie with Judith reminded me a bit of the scene in MASH where a Korean woman ended up smothering a baby because it was crying and they were going to be caught by a North Korean patrol. I'm trying to remember the context, but I think Hawkeye was with them and was the one who told the Mother to keep the child quiet, but didn't realize she had killed the child and it ended up causing him to have a mental breakdown.

Anyway, seeing what Lizzie was doing I really think the whole Carol 'covered' for Lizzie thing is legit. She probably felt somewhat responsible for how she trained/taught Lizzie to survive and that's why she took the blame for the deaths of Tyrese's gf and the other person. I don't think Lizzie would have been able to drag both bodies out so it was likely Carol who discovered Lizzie killed them in the infirmary and then Carol dragged them out and burned the bodies.
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Old February 17 2014, 06:39 AM   #1262
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Yeah, made me think of MASH as well, until she started to get that gleam in her eye. Not convinced that Lizzie killed those two people though. I don't think she had progressed to killing people at that point.
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Old February 17 2014, 07:03 AM   #1263
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Gotta wonder if this episode was so good because Rick wasn't in it?
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Old February 17 2014, 08:12 AM   #1264
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Nope, don't gotta.

Every episode is an alll-out effort.
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Old February 17 2014, 08:23 AM   #1265
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First....CAROL IS BACK!!! YES!!! At long last, the moral compass of the Atlanta group--the heart of this series is back to set things straight.

Second, yes, Lizzie is sadistic, and I see her fate being very grim by the end of this season, or the beginning of 5. I feel there's no way to change her, other than Carol being an example in front of her eyes.

Third, I thought Daryl would fall into a hopeless mode, but exactly who is Beth writing to..and what's up with the "expecting" line? Is this a story? A delusion where she mixes what happened on the farm with fantasy? Is Maggie pregnant? Is she writing to God, or her father?

She seems like she's on the border of a breakdown. Some believe the showrunner's statement that Beth's earlier "don't care" attitude about death will come back at the end of the season means another major character death (ex. Maggie) will finish season 4.

As far as Abraham goes, we will see how close he is to the source.......and if he follows the same path...
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Old February 17 2014, 09:28 AM   #1266
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^ Who does anyone write to when they keep a diary?
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Old February 17 2014, 10:38 AM   #1267
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OMG! As a fan of the comics the ending was awesome!!


They all looked so great, really brought to life from the page. Even Eugene's mullet
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Old February 17 2014, 10:39 AM   #1268
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Old February 17 2014, 01:42 PM   #1269
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^ Who does anyone write to when they keep a diary?
she's not writing to herself; what we hear sounds like she's addressing someone else.
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Old February 17 2014, 01:46 PM   #1270
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Third, I thought Daryl would fall into a hopeless mode, but exactly who is Beth writing to..and what's up with the "expecting" line? Is this a story? A delusion where she mixes what happened on the farm with fantasy? Is Maggie pregnant? Is she writing to God, or her father?
It was an excerpt from what she wrote when they left the farm and went to the prison, it wasn't what she was writing 'now'. The expecting line was about Lori.

I liked this episode better than last week. Loved how they worked together Beth/Daryl and Tyreese/the girls. That scene where Lizzy was smothering Judith...wow. That was pretty brave for tv, I can imagine a lot of people would have been very disturbed by that.

One thing though...are zombies really lured away by fire? I mean, I get they're attracted by noise but is it enough to get distract them from meat?
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Old February 17 2014, 02:30 PM   #1271
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I am confused by the fate of the bus. Maggie was able to catch up to it in a day or so. That means it couldn't have been very far from the prison. I doubt they pulled over and let a walker on board, so that means someone turned.

But one person turning couldn't have caused all that death, and we have seen that turning doesn't happen quickly. There should have been time for most everyone to get off the bus. But there it was sealed, with about a dozen walkers.

The bus looked full when it left the prison, so there should be a lot more people somewhere.

I think they went for a cool scene, that didn't really make much sense.
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Old February 17 2014, 03:47 PM   #1272
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I'm just amused by how they conveniently killed off all the remaining unnamed extras in this episode, just like the fire arrow barrage on Lost.
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Old February 17 2014, 03:50 PM   #1273
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^ Who does anyone write to when they keep a diary?
she's not writing to herself; what we hear sounds like she's addressing someone else.
I think the point he was trying to make was, when anyone writes in a diary, they are not writing to themselves, they are writing to the diary. As in "Dear Diary" At one point she even says "i stopped writing after the farm, but I found you when we got the prison" referring specifically to the diary as the "person" she is writing to.
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Old February 17 2014, 04:00 PM   #1274
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It's a common technique to do exposition through a voice-over reading of a private diary (read by the one keeping the diary) or to fit with this board, A Captain's Log. I don't think she was writing to anyone per se.

It's done for the same reason as The Voiceover Letter, namely to cover exposition, without making us read something.
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Old February 17 2014, 04:02 PM   #1275
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I am confused by the fate of the bus. Maggie was able to catch up to it in a day or so. That means it couldn't have been very far from the prison. I doubt they pulled over and let a walker on board, so that means someone turned.
...and just how did Glenn--barely standing in "Too Far Gone"--manage to avoid walkers in the yard to make it up to the destroyed walkway?

But one person turning couldn't have caused all that death, and we have seen that turning doesn't happen quickly. There should have been time for most everyone to get off the bus. But there it was sealed, with about a dozen walkers.
That was lazy, convenient writing, since one person turning would be easy to handle, and even if he or she managed to bite another, who would not kick the infected victim off of the bus?

The producers needed to get rid of the last of the Woodbury refugees, so they picked one that--as you pointed out--made no sense at all.
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