RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 140,142
Posts: 5,433,963
Members: 24,935
Currently online: 512
Newest member: Uhura's legs

TrekToday headlines

Pine In New Skit
By: T'Bonz on Oct 21

Stewart In Holiday Film
By: T'Bonz on Oct 21

The Red Shirt Diaries #8
By: T'Bonz on Oct 20

IDW Publishing January Comics
By: T'Bonz on Oct 20

Retro Review: Chrysalis
By: Michelle on Oct 18

The Next Generation Season Seven Blu-ray Details
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17

CBS Launches Streaming Service
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17

Yelchin In New Indie Thriller
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17

Saldana In The Book of Life
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17

Cracked’s New Sci-Fi Satire
By: T'Bonz on Oct 16


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Entertainment & Interests > Science Fiction & Fantasy

Science Fiction & Fantasy Farscape, Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, vampires, genre books and film.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old December 20 2013, 12:12 AM   #976
sojourner
Admiral
 
sojourner's Avatar
 
Location: I'm at WKRP
Re: The Walking Dead Season 4

Yeah, if zombies exist in the popular culture of the setting it really stretches the credibility of an outbreak becoming wide spread.
__________________
Baby, you and me were never meant to be, just maybe think of me once in a while...
sojourner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 20 2013, 12:35 AM   #977
Silvercrest
Rear Admiral
 
Re: The Walking Dead Season 4

Scout101 wrote: View Post
Morfius wrote: View Post
Also why doesn't anyone use the word: "Zombie" in this series. Has Disney copywrited it?
Eh, doubt it. Most likely, it's just the same conceit that every zombie movie makes: almost every zombie movie takes place in a world where zombie movies never existed. Bites, shooting them in the brain, it's new and novel concept every time.
With the notable exception of "Return of the Living Dead", where they knew all that stuff, tried it, and it didn't work.
"I thought you said if we destroyed the brain, it'd die!"
"It worked in the movie!"
"Well, it ain't working now, Frank!"
"You mean the movie lied?"
Although that movie made the zombies so unstoppable that it's hard to see how the original outbreak was ever stopped in the first place. Did they establish any way that they actually could be killed? I haven't seen the movie in a while. (Yes, I know it's a satire, but.... )

Trekker4747 wrote: View Post
Yeah, I don't recall though if zombies exist in popular culture or not in the context of the comic, however.

I like the way the series handles it though. Because, again, if zombies don't exist in popular culture then why would the word itself exist? And if zombies DO exist in popular culture then certain tropes, like shooting them in the head, not letting them bite you, etc.; would exist and be known.
The word "zombie" would still exist in reference to the original voodoo-style zombie, so no problem there. It just never made the leap to apply to the walkers. You'd think it would be obvious, but as you say, Romero himself didn't even do it. I think that started with Fulci.

But you're right that there was no such thing as a Romero-style zombie in the popular culture of that world, even under a different name.
Silvercrest is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 20 2013, 12:37 AM   #978
Kestrel
Vice Admiral
 
Kestrel's Avatar
 
Location: East Tennessee
Re: The Walking Dead Season 4

Well, as I'm sure has been pointed out, Romero's zombies were really more like ghouls.
__________________
"If Romeo had just masturbated a couple of times a week he would have saved both those nice families a heap of trouble."
Kestrel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 20 2013, 12:39 AM   #979
WalkerBait
Trekker4747
 
WalkerBait's Avatar
 
Location: Kansas City
Re: The Walking Dead Season 4

Silvercrest wrote: View Post
Scout101 wrote: View Post
Morfius wrote: View Post
Also why doesn't anyone use the word: "Zombie" in this series. Has Disney copywrited it?
Eh, doubt it. Most likely, it's just the same conceit that every zombie movie makes: almost every zombie movie takes place in a world where zombie movies never existed. Bites, shooting them in the brain, it's new and novel concept every time.
With the notable exception of "Return of the Living Dead", where they knew all that stuff, tried it, and it didn't work.
"I thought you said if we destroyed the brain, it'd die!"
"It worked in the movie!"
"Well, it ain't working now, Frank!"
"You mean the movie lied?"
Although that movie made the zombies so unstoppable that it's hard to see how the original outbreak was ever stopped in the first place. Did they establish any way that they actually could be killed? I haven't seen the movie in a while. (Yes, I know it's a satire, but.... )

Trekker4747 wrote: View Post
Yeah, I don't recall though if zombies exist in popular culture or not in the context of the comic, however.

I like the way the series handles it though. Because, again, if zombies don't exist in popular culture then why would the word itself exist? And if zombies DO exist in popular culture then certain tropes, like shooting them in the head, not letting them bite you, etc.; would exist and be known.
The word "zombie" would still exist in reference to the original voodoo-style zombie, so no problem there. It just never made the leap to apply to the walkers. You'd think it would be obvious, but as you say, Romero himself didn't even do it. I think that started with Fulci.

But you're right that there was no such thing as a Romero-style zombie in the popular culture of that world, even under a different name.
The zombie in the ancient voodoo style would still exist but wouldn't be as prominent in popular culture and such enough for everyone to say "walking dead people! Zombies!"
__________________
Just because it's futuristic doesn't mean it's practical.
WalkerBait is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 20 2013, 01:13 AM   #980
dansigal
Commander
 
Re: The Walking Dead Season 4

The Newsflesh trilogy by Mira Grant does a really good zombie story in a world where "zombies" did previously exist in pop culture before the breakout. It takes place post-break out, where civilization was able to survive, but just like in TWD, everyone is infected, so zombies are something society just has to deal with. There are a lot of cute things, like George Romero is considered a national hero since because of him, people were prepared for what to do when the breakouts started. And like George has become the most popular baby name in his honor.
dansigal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 20 2013, 03:35 AM   #981
sojourner
Admiral
 
sojourner's Avatar
 
Location: I'm at WKRP
Re: The Walking Dead Season 4

Kestrel wrote: View Post
Well, as I'm sure has been pointed out, Romero's zombies were really more like ghouls.
Yep, most modern depictions of zombies are actually ghouls.
__________________
Baby, you and me were never meant to be, just maybe think of me once in a while...
sojourner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 20 2013, 03:41 AM   #982
WalkerBait
Trekker4747
 
WalkerBait's Avatar
 
Location: Kansas City
Re: The Walking Dead Season 4

In fact in "Night of..." I believe "ghouls" is what they're called by the TV/radio newscasts.
__________________
Just because it's futuristic doesn't mean it's practical.
WalkerBait is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 20 2013, 05:10 AM   #983
Morpheus 02
Commodore
 
Location: Chicago IL
Re: The Walking Dead Season 4

Trekker4747 wrote: View Post
Yeah, I don't recall though if zombies exist in popular culture or not in the context of the comic, however.

I like the way the series handles it though. Because, again, if zombies don't exist in popular culture then why would the word itself exist? And if zombies DO exist in popular culture then certain tropes, like shooting them in the head, not letting them bite you, etc.; would exist and be known.
Not necessarily...the "zombie" would be more like the Voodoo kind (someone in a trance like state...like the Walkers, only not needing flesh to eat), rather than the Romero kind.

Personally, i would like to see a poster for George A Romero's Night of the Living Undead!
__________________
Morpheus 02
a.k.a.
JP Paulus jp [at] paulus . com
Morpheus 02 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 20 2013, 03:30 PM   #984
Servo
Rear Admiral
 
Servo's Avatar
 
Location: Manchester, England
Re: The Walking Dead Season 4

Silvercrest wrote: View Post
...Romero himself didn't even do it. I think that started with Fulci.
The word "zombie" is used in dialogue once in Romero's Dawn of the Dead, spoken by Peter. And that film was also released in Europe under the title Zombi, which lead to Fulci making a faux-sequel called Zombi 2 - possibly better known to most as Zombie Flesh Eaters.
__________________
"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend... and you've never watched Star Trek? Good Lord..."
Servo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 20 2013, 04:13 PM   #985
DarthTom
Fleet Admiral
 
DarthTom's Avatar
 
Location: Atlanta, Georgia
Re: The Walking Dead Season 4

Servo wrote: View Post
The word "zombie" is used in dialogue once in Romero's Dawn of the Dead, spoken by Peter. And that film was also released in Europe under the title Zombi, which lead to Fulci making a faux-sequel called Zombi 2 - possibly better known to most as Zombie Flesh Eaters.
Google knows everything.
There are several possible etymologies of the word zombie. One possible origin is jumbie, the West Indian term for "ghost". Another is nzambi, the Kongo word meaning "spirit of a dead person." According to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, the word entered English circa 1871 and is derived from the Louisiana Creole or Haitian Creole zonbi, which in turn is of Bantu origin.
DarthTom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 20 2013, 04:20 PM   #986
Servo
Rear Admiral
 
Servo's Avatar
 
Location: Manchester, England
Re: The Walking Dead Season 4

DarthTom wrote: View Post
Servo wrote: View Post
The word "zombie" is used in dialogue once in Romero's Dawn of the Dead, spoken by Peter. And that film was also released in Europe under the title Zombi, which lead to Fulci making a faux-sequel called Zombi 2 - possibly better known to most as Zombie Flesh Eaters.
Google knows everything.
There are several possible etymologies of the word zombie. One possible origin is jumbie, the West Indian term for "ghost". Another is nzambi, the Kongo word meaning "spirit of a dead person." According to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, the word entered English circa 1871 and is derived from the Louisiana Creole or Haitian Creole zonbi, which in turn is of Bantu origin.
I think you're confused. No-one is debating the etymology of the word itself, rather it's use in zombie films.
__________________
"You're not married, you haven't got a girlfriend... and you've never watched Star Trek? Good Lord..."
Servo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 20 2013, 04:40 PM   #987
DarthTom
Fleet Admiral
 
DarthTom's Avatar
 
Location: Atlanta, Georgia
Re: The Walking Dead Season 4

Servo wrote: View Post
I think you're confused. No-one is debating the etymology of the word itself, rather it's use in zombie films.
Understood. It's just interesting. It's funny that non of th characters don't use the word, "zombie," in TWD when the word is so pervasive in our culture and the characters are set in our timeframe.
DarthTom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 20 2013, 04:47 PM   #988
Silvercrest
Rear Admiral
 
Re: The Walking Dead Season 4

Well, Trekker was questioning whether the word would even exist in a zombie film. Sort of like, "In the DCU, did anyone ever use the term 'Brainiac' before Superman ...?" But I think he changed his mind.
Silvercrest is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 20 2013, 05:30 PM   #989
sojourner
Admiral
 
sojourner's Avatar
 
Location: I'm at WKRP
Re: The Walking Dead Season 4

DarthTom wrote: View Post
Servo wrote: View Post
I think you're confused. No-one is debating the etymology of the word itself, rather it's use in zombie films.
Understood. It's just interesting. It's funny that non of th characters don't use the word, "zombie," in TWD when the word is so pervasive in our culture and the characters are set in our timeframe.
I think you missed the part of the discussion about there being no xombie movies in the TWD setting, therefore the term would probably be fairly unknown.
__________________
Baby, you and me were never meant to be, just maybe think of me once in a while...
sojourner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 20 2013, 05:55 PM   #990
Silvercrest
Rear Admiral
 
Re: The Walking Dead Season 4

In the TWD universe, George Romero became famous for his social commentary veiled in horror movies ... about vampires.

Also, Anne Rice and "Twilight" became household words twenty years earlier than they did here.
Silvercrest is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
season 4, the walking dead, twd

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 08:09 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.