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Old December 7 2013, 10:43 PM   #931
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Dude, she shot Alisha in the head! It's not much a leap at all.
In "self defense/defense of others" in a wartime/battle situation. Still very different than killing two peers while they sleep.

I don't know. Depending on how long the show continues, they're going to loose the baby one way or another and I can't see them killing her on-screen. It may well be a red herring though since this is more or less when the baby died in the comics and they might play with that expectations.
Eh, seems like there's a lot of diversions in the series over what happened in the comics. The series has been mostly using the comics as a general "idea" more than anything else. Characters have been added, characters have been lost sooner than they were in the comic (Dale, Andrea, Lori) certain plot threads have been different.

For example, IIRC in the comic they were at the camp outside Atlanta for several months before deciding to leave which is when Rick killed Shane, the group found their way to a farm, got kicked off the farm by Hershel and then found their way to a gated neighborhood and eventually the prison.

Lori in the comic survives until the fall of the prison and, I believe, Woodbury never fell until the end of the prison arc. So there's numerous differences. I don't think the comics can be too much of a tried and true guide for what's going to happen other than a very rough outline.

On Judith's age. Keep in mind the show has been on for 3 and half seasons now and only about a year and half has passed since Rick woke-up from the coma. (Using Lori's pregnancy and Judith's apparent age as a guide.) So it's possible the rest of the series could still take place while using infant and toddler actors for Judith. Although some explaining will have to be done on why Carl is suffering from a hyper-aging disease.

Though story-tellingwise the baby is a "liability" as you'll always need to have "something" happen/shown to remind the audience she is there. It was easy when things were held in the prison when we could assume someone was watching her or that she was relatively safe. But back out in the wild? She's a story-telling liability as you can't just have her not-on-screen without explaining who has her and why she's safe (or not safe.)

I suspect sooner or later the comic's story will catch up to Judith and she'll be offed, right now I suspect she's alive and safe. With who? I'm not sure. I'm almost inclined to go with Michonne given the "connection" she and Judith had earlier this season with Michonne obviously suffering from Lost-Baby Syndrome.
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Old December 8 2013, 03:42 AM   #932
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When they started promoting the season they did say they were going to be sticking a little closer to the comics this season.
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Just saw the thread about Low Winter Sun's cancellation over in TV & Media. Hopefully this gives TWD the opportunity to bring back Morgan!
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Old December 8 2013, 04:36 AM   #933
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I haven't read the comics, but have seen bits and pieces and read sub-summaries of different parts. I prefer the tv show. I know it's not as dark; I prefer it this way.

Sometimes stories have to be adapted for a different media.
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Old December 8 2013, 05:05 AM   #934
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I haven't read the comics, but have seen bits and pieces and read sub-summaries of different parts. I prefer the tv show. I know it's not as dark; I prefer it this way.

Sometimes stories have to be adapted for a different media.
I also like the character of the Governor better in the TV show then the comic. I know its a combination of the writing and the nuanced performance by David Morrissey.
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Old December 8 2013, 05:39 AM   #935
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Nah, TV Governor may be a more realistic character, but comics Governor is so over the top twisted and evil that he's way more entertaining. Hell, the guy rips out his zombie daughter's teeth with pliers just so he can kiss her on the mouth.
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Old December 8 2013, 11:16 AM   #936
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The comics sound more like torture porn than entertainment.

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^I don't know. Depending on how long the show continues, they're going to loose the baby one way or another and I can't see them killing her on-screen. It may well be a red herring though since this is more or less when the baby died in the comics and they might play with that expectations.
I didn't realize that the baby died in the comics. But I still think it's a red herring. Like Locutus said, they would have played it differently. What may happen is that Rick will hear about her being found and saved by another group, and the story will become about him trying to find her. Or, twenty years from now, somebody will do Walking Dead: The Legend Continues and she'll be the main character.
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That would be very interesting. Have Tyreese and Carol meet up and spend time together while caring for the baby, only later to reveal Carol is the killer he is looking for.

Of course I also feel like carol might be covering for Lizzy. Can't wait for the second half of the season!
I don't think Carol is covering for Lizzy, but that would be neat if she met up with Tyreese and they formed a relationship before Tyreese found out she killed Karen.

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Not nonsense. Lizzy and Mika's father extracted a promise from Carol. She said she would look after them and protect them. Carol "failed" Sophia. She comes across Lizzy, whom she castigated as "weak" who has done this deed and Carol is no fool. She knows how the group will likely react...
It's not like the group would have exiled Lizzy. Carol had no reason to cover for Lizzy, nor would covering for Lizzy stop her from killing the next sick person.
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Old December 8 2013, 07:20 PM   #938
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That would be very interesting. Have Tyreese and Carol meet up and spend time together while caring for the baby, only later to reveal Carol is the killer he is looking for.

Of course I also feel like carol might be covering for Lizzy. Can't wait for the second half of the season!
I don't think Carol is covering for Lizzy, but that would be neat if she met up with Tyreese and they formed a relationship before Tyreese found out she killed Karen.

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Not nonsense. Lizzy and Mika's father extracted a promise from Carol. She said she would look after them and protect them. Carol "failed" Sophia. She comes across Lizzy, whom she castigated as "weak" who has done this deed and Carol is no fool. She knows how the group will likely react...
It's not like the group would have exiled Lizzy. Carol had no reason to cover for Lizzy, nor would covering for Lizzy stop her from killing the next sick person.
If this plays out like it did in the comics then the group will have a situation on their hands, how do you exile a little kid? Can they kill a little kid?
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Old December 12 2013, 09:39 PM   #939
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What's with the vivisected rat or frog that they found? What's all that about?
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Old December 12 2013, 11:12 PM   #940
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What's with the vivisected rat or frog that they found? What's all that about?
This is purely speculation. Carol didn't kill those two people, Lizzie did and Carol helped to cover it up. Lizzie has been feeding the walkers on the fence, she's the one giving them names and treating them like pets, she's the one who dissected that rat and now she's a great head shot with a pistol too. They already gave her that odd moment where she played with Glenn's pool of blood.
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Old December 13 2013, 12:11 AM   #941
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It's quite a leap to say that Lizzie is the one who killed Karen and David just because she treats the Walkers like pets. I mean that's a pretty damn huge leap. And I certainly doubt she has the skills to vivisect an animal.

I still buy that Carol killed Karen and David, again, she owned up up pretty easily and quickly and even seemed to have good reasons and justification on doing it.

On the vivisection and who was feeding the Walkers at the fence? I'm thinking Bob.
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Old December 13 2013, 02:51 AM   #942
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What's with the vivisected rat or frog that they found? What's all that about?
This is purely speculation. Carol didn't kill those two people, Lizzie did and Carol helped to cover it up. Lizzie has been feeding the walkers on the fence, she's the one giving them names and treating them like pets, she's the one who dissected that rat and now she's a great head shot with a pistol too. They already gave her that odd moment where she played with Glenn's pool of blood.
It’s also purely speculation that Doctor Bob was experimenting on a virus to “kill” the zombies and was using the rats to do it. And feeding the rats to the zombies to test it. Of course, their being dead makes transmission difficult.

It could explain why people got a “flu” and died--Bob’s experiment. And why the prior groups he was with all died. Prior experiments. Maybe he’s immune?
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Old December 13 2013, 02:54 AM   #943
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Oh shit. Not the immunity thing again. If there's one thing I would put good money on being in the top ten rules of the writer's bible for the series is that no one is immune.
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Old December 13 2013, 02:59 AM   #944
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Oh shit. Not the immunity thing again. If there's one thing I would put good money on being in the top ten rules of the writer's bible for the series is that no one is immune.
Agreed. Though I guess it's "possible" some people can have natural immunities.
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Old December 13 2013, 08:44 AM   #945
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Lizzie has been feeding the walkers on the fence, she's the one giving them names and treating them like pets, she's the one who dissected that rat and now she's a great head shot with a pistol too.
I don't see why people are conflating the rat-feeding and vivisection with killing Karen and David. I'm willing to buy Lizzie doing the former, but I don't have any reason to think Carol didn't do the latter.

And honestly, I wouldn't say she's that great of a shot. It's not as though... umm... ex-army girl... made a very difficult target, standing there like that as if in shock a child drew on her.

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And I certainly doubt she has the skills to vivisect an animal.
Why? All it takes is some practice and steady hands with a knife.

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Oh shit. Not the immunity thing again. If there's one thing I would put good money on being in the top ten rules of the writer's bible for the series is that no one is immune.
QFT. Lack of a cure, too.
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