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Old December 2 2013, 09:59 PM   #841
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The Talking Dead didn't put Judith in the "honoring the dead" montage and the discussion seemed to suggest Judith's fate is unknown at this point. I wouldn't count her out, though the bloody carseat makes her fate pretty likely grim. But we won't know, for sure, until February.

I'm guessing Judith is alive. When running for your life, it's easier to do so just holding a baby, instead of holding a much bulkier carseat with a baby in it.
Agree.

This was an awesome episode that did not disappoint.
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RIP and good bye Governor
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Old December 2 2013, 10:31 PM   #842
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By the way...we know severed heads reanimate, so somewhere in that field rests Hershel's head (someone dropped out of a car at the start of the battle).
That was one of my first thoughts at the end of the episode. Poor Hershel will reanimate with no one around to finish him off.
Maybe that's where Michonne dissappeared to at the end, to finish of Hershel. Otherwise, wtf? she helps Rick stand up then just walks away?
At the time I assumed Rick had left Michonne to kill the Gov and instead gone to look for Carl. I think it wasnt until after that we find out Michonne left him to die.

Im in the group that thinks Judith survived. I assume the bus left without her onboard and it's far easier to move quickly carrying just a baby than a bulky carseat/carrier.

One more thought, I expected more people from Woodbury 2.0 to be reluctant to fight. It's one thing to arm up and look imposing to intimidate a group but completely different to acctually fight. Especially after being told it would be as peaceful as possible. Decapitation doesn't look too peaceful.
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Old December 2 2013, 10:43 PM   #843
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I thought it was pretty cool that there was an explanation built right into the Sand Walker's sudden appearance, even if the whole thing was pretty bizarre. Not like Andrea getting ambushed by a walker from behind a tree last season when she should have heard it coming.
Not only a built in explanation with the sign the girl dug up, but an active demonstration by the Walker her mom was watching intently. That riverbed walker scene was one of the coolest zombies of the entire show so far. It's the first official dead rising from a grave type scenario we've had on WD. I can't believe it didn't get kill of the week on Talking Dead. The killing might not have been the most amazing, but the walker sure was, way cooler than that bloated well walker from season 2
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Old December 2 2013, 10:44 PM   #844
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Yeah the Woodbury 2.0 guys, sans the tank dude, shouldn't have been so quick to open fire and destroy the very thing they wanted. It's sort of like the guys who left with The Gov at the end of last season why would you follow a man who just nearly decapitated a defenseless old man.
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Old December 2 2013, 10:58 PM   #845
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‘Walking Dead’ Winter Finale Draws 12.1M Viewers

The ratings powerhouse zombie apocalypse drama also saw 12.1 million total viewers watch its 9 PM broadcast and 7.7 million in the 18-49 demo tune in on Sunday. That’s a midseason finale record for the series. It’s also a solid boost from the 10.5 million total viewers and the 6.86 million 18-49 viewers who tuned in to last year’s midseason closer on December 2, 2012. Overall, The Walking Dead was up 29% in the first half of its fourth season over the first half of Season 3.
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Old December 2 2013, 11:19 PM   #846
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[QUOTE=Silvercrest;8964859The "Talking Dead" poll said most people would miss Hershel's advice and wisdom. So if his head is still intact, maybe he could still advise them... ? [/quote]

Yeah, Glenn can leep him in a fishbowl, and have him sitting in on the wedding....


Where did Michonne go? Seemed like she vanished right after rescuing Rick.
Yeah, that made no sense, unless she was finishing off the rest of the invaders. She should have been by Rick's side when running into Carl.

Tara and Lilly are both still out there, right?
Unless they pick up the wepons left by their dead camp-mates, they will not last long. Perhaps one of the vehicles still works, so they can hit the road.
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Old December 3 2013, 12:01 AM   #847
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Really enjoyed this episode. I know that Hershel died in the comics, but damn, his death was still shocking.
The battle was pretty intense, which was great.
I'm not going to totally rule out the possibility that Judith is still alive. Unless we see a body it's never a guarantee that someone is really dead on TV.

Did we see what happened to Tara? I'm wondering if we'll see her again.
The Governor's death was great, I'm glad we got to see him go.
I wonder if they'll adapt any of the post-prison story lines from the comics. I just read through the synopsis on Wikipedia and it sounds like there are some interesting possibilities in the rest of the comics.
Daryl taking out the tank, Lizzie killing Alisha were both pretty awesome. I'm very curious where they are going with Lizzie's story.
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Old December 3 2013, 12:39 AM   #848
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Oh, man. I was pretty sure Herschel would die-- he's been living on borrowed time since he was bitten-- but I was still sorry to see it happen.

On the other hand, I'm glad the Governor is dead. I don't want to see him become a recurring antagonist.

I do think that Judith survived.

I don't like seeing the prison era come to an end. This is like turning back the clock and erasing a lot of the progress that was made in adapting to the post-zombie world. Community building should be part of the scenario. Now they're back on the run again.

Rick should have done some more talking down at the fence. His attempts to turn the Governor's followers was too half-hearted. He should have mentioned that half of the people in the prison were survivors of Woodbury-- where the Governor practiced torture and kept heads in fish tanks. That might have convinced a few people.
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Old December 3 2013, 12:46 AM   #849
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Tara went fetal and/or ran off during the battle. Not a whole lot of options for her during all that gunfire though, especially with the walkers streaming in. Both she and Lily don't have much in the way of survival skills or experience, and Lily looked pretty catatonic, so I don't see them lasting very long.
There's no way Tara and Lilly will last long on their own. Therefore, it's entirely logical to expect them to meet up with some other survivors pretty soon in the next episode or two. I could see them running into Rick and Carl. (And Michonne?)

Though if you let me choose, I'd vote for them to join with Tyrese and Lizzie and the other kids.

Having to be saved by Lizzie, who killed Alisha, would be appropriate for this show.

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Although damaged and walkers roaming around, I think the prison is still the best place to stay. They can fix the fence where the tank breached then clean up from there. I'm sure not all the cell blocks were damaged from tank fire especially towards the back. The governer is dead too so they don't have to worry about him anymore.
I don't know. I think the whole point is that the prison was pretty much completely overrun, and it's not just a small section of the fence that came down, but it was pretty much the entire fence.

On top of that, there are now huge holes all over the walls from the tank. Also assume that the tank probably destroyed some doors/entrances. For example, you may now no longer be able to lock yourself into Cellblock C or D, if the entrances to the Cellblocks were damaged.

So with the outside fence pretty much gone, and the inside walls full of damage, I think the prison is pretty much a lost cause. They'd be safer hanging out in a neighborhood house with a white picket fence.

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One more thought, I expected more people from Woodbury 2.0 to be reluctant to fight. It's one thing to arm up and look imposing to intimidate a group but completely different to acctually fight. Especially after being told it would be as peaceful as possible. Decapitation doesn't look too peaceful.
I'm with you on that one. After Hershel got beheaded by their own leader, it seemed that everyone except for Tara pretty much just charged ahead with guns blazing. Perhaps I'll just choose to assume that there were more non-combatants that they just didn't have time to show last night.

At the very least, after charging up the hill and seeing people beside you get shot, you'd think some people would stop and re-evaluate.

On the other hand, Daryl didn't take out the tank until pretty much the very end, and so long as that tank was there, you had to feel that your side was going to prevail.
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Old December 3 2013, 01:18 AM   #850
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Why were they shooting at the prison with the tank at all? The prison is what they wanted, so why the hell were they destroying it for absolutely no tactical reason whatsoever? I'm sure those random walls and doors that had absolutely no one hiding behind them were a serious threat as they moved in, whereas the actual things people were using to hide behind were left unscathed. Seriously. What the hell?
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Old December 3 2013, 01:22 AM   #851
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Good mid-season cliff hanger. Poor Hershel.
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Old December 3 2013, 01:36 AM   #852
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Oh, man. I was pretty sure Herschel would die-- he's been living on borrowed time since he was bitten-- but I was still sorry to see it happen.

On the other hand, I'm glad the Governor is dead. I don't want to see him become a recurring antagonist.

I do think that Judith survived.

I don't like seeing the prison era come to an end. This is like turning back the clock and erasing a lot of the progress that was made in adapting to the post-zombie world. Community building should be part of the scenario. Now they're back on the run again.

Rick should have done some more talking down at the fence. His attempts to turn the Governor's followers was too half-hearted. He should have mentioned that half of the people in the prison were survivors of Woodbury-- where the Governor practiced torture and kept heads in fish tanks. That might have convinced a few people.
^This is what I said to my hubby last night. That would've been the first thing out of my mouth. "Do you know who this guy is? People here escaped from him and we protected them." Or something along those lines.
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Old December 3 2013, 02:45 AM   #853
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I wonder if they'll adapt any of the post-prison story lines from the comics. I just read through the synopsis on Wikipedia and it sounds like there are some interesting possibilities in the rest of the comics.
Yes, yes they will.

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Old December 3 2013, 03:14 AM   #854
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Although damaged and walkers roaming around, I think the prison is still the best place to stay. They can fix the fence where the tank breached then clean up from there. I'm sure not all the cell blocks were damaged from tank fire especially towards the back. The governer is dead too so they don't have to worry about him anymore.
I'm not sure I agree... I guess, logistically, it would be possible to repair the fences and deal with the herds of walkers, but at this point, with the destruction, disease and overall bad karma the prison has, I imagine it would be almost unbearable to live there any more. I realize that when you're fighting for your very existence, that you suck it up and make due with what you've got, but with the inhabitants as well as the "warriors" scattered in the wind, it would take a hell of a lot to regroup and deal with the swarms of walkers now converging on the facility...
I hear there is a nice little group of motor homes nearby that are recently vacated. Even have walker pits around them.
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Why were they shooting at the prison with the tank at all? The prison is what they wanted, so why the hell were they destroying it for absolutely no tactical reason whatsoever? I'm sure those random walls and doors that had absolutely no one hiding behind them were a serious threat as they moved in, whereas the actual things people were using to hide behind were left unscathed. Seriously. What the hell?
That was a pretty dumb move.
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