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Old November 11 2013, 10:51 PM   #601
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I agree with Daryl. Herschel is a tough sumbitch. I hope he doesn't go anywhere anytime soon.

This was a really good episode all around. Herschel's superhuman efforts to save the sick and control another zombie outbreak, Rick and Carl taking down the zombie horde, Glen and Maggie stepping up, and the arrival of Daryl's cavalry. And I don't know what to make of the little girl. Very heroic of her to lure the zombie away from Glen, but she is clearly very damaged.

Glen's attempt to resuscitate his patient makes me wonder, though: What does happen if you resuscitate someone who dies? What if you're dead long enough for the virus to kick in first? What becomes of you then?

As for Rick versus Carol, I weighed in on that a few pages back: Rick is a hypocrite for doing exactly what Carol did.
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Old November 11 2013, 11:14 PM   #602
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^If you're talking about Shane, Rick didn't do exactly what Carol did.
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Old November 11 2013, 11:32 PM   #603
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I agree with Daryl. Herschel is a tough sumbitch. I hope he doesn't go anywhere anytime soon.

And I don't know what to make of the little girl. Very heroic of her to lure the zombie away from Glen, but she is clearly very damaged.
Is she though? Or is this just the adaptation of youth? She is growing up in a world of Walkers, without a baseline of normalcy. IE, blood and guts are as normal to her as eating and sleeping. So is that her personality not coping? Or is that a generational adaptation and survival mechanism? The world turned, nobody knows why - Rick wonders if it's a test, and Herschel suggests it was always a test. The girl - has not been exposed to a different kind of moral human life. I guess the question becomes, is human morality a survival mechanism or a liability?



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As soon as I saw that gunshot on the beam, I kept waiting for Rick to scout the perimeter to find a bootprint or something.
??? huh? what do you mean by "gunshot on the beam"?
When Rick and Carl were reinforcing the beams at night, watch when the beam snaps under the zombie weight. You can see a bullet impact the stress point and shatter the beam that allows the fence to cave in. At least I though I saw it. I wondered why Rick and Carl still stood around outside with a sniper around - was I mistaken? Did anyone else see it?


The reason the away team got back so late was because of Daylight Savings Time.
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Old November 12 2013, 12:07 AM   #604
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When Rick and Carl were reinforcing the beams at night, watch when the beam snaps under the zombie weight. You can see a bullet impact the stress point and shatter the beam that allows the fence to cave in. At least I though I saw it. I wondered why Rick and Carl still stood around outside with a sniper around - was I mistaken? Did anyone else see it?
That was just the pole snapping "like a shot" under the strain of the zombies.
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Old November 12 2013, 12:11 AM   #605
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^If you're talking about Shane, Rick didn't do exactly what Carol did.
I think he's talking about Rick making the unilateral decision to exile Carol (which realistically could result in her death). Carol also made a unilateral decision to deal with the the infected. He's certainly a hypocrite in that respect.
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Old November 12 2013, 12:13 AM   #606
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^Rick didn't kill her though, so it's not exactly the same.

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That was just the pole snapping "like a shot" under the strain of the zombies.
That's what I took from it.
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Old November 12 2013, 01:25 AM   #607
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What does happen if you resuscitate someone who dies? What if you're dead long enough for the virus to kick in first? What becomes of you then?
From the CDC evidence, it appears the virus kicks in after brain death only. You shouldn't be able to resuscitate a brain-dead victim. Breathing is an autonomic response, and they'll never breathe on their own if their brain is dead. So it's not technically a problem, except that distinguishing between resuscitation and reanimation might be tricky if the victim is only dead for a few minutes, and reanimates while you're working on them. It's a risk that the medical professionals of the post-apocalyptic world will have to incorporate in their decisions when working on dying patients.
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Old November 12 2013, 02:44 AM   #608
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Even then upon brain death it's said the reanimation takes anywhere between minutes and hours and at brain death resuscitation is pointless even if reanimation wasn't a concern.
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Old November 12 2013, 03:10 AM   #609
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Right. How would you distinguish between reanimation and resuscitation if the victim were only dead for, say, two or three minutes? Initial responses are the same for both - movement, breathing (though the zombies don't need to do it, the lower parts of the brain control it, so it happens regardless), eyes open, etc. Conveniently, though, the eyes of the undead always are cloudy. I don't know how quickly the vitreous humour of the eyes starts changing after death, but it seems convenient that the eyes are a dead (pun-intended) giveaway.

Speaking of eyes, shouldn't rotten eyes be a weakness of walkers by now? They may be able to hear and smell, but their vision should be crap by now. At least, I'd expect them to be shuffling around mostly blind.
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Old November 12 2013, 03:12 AM   #610
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How can you tell they aren't mostly blind?
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Old November 12 2013, 03:57 AM   #611
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I can't. Not really. Yet they manage to find their prey really well if they're mostly blind. I mean, humans have relatively poor hearing and smell compared to most predators, and having most of your sense tissue rot should not help your hunting ability. Yet the walkers never fail to track a target, and they never give up their target, either. Of course, the data is inherently biased, since we only see walkers that are hunting people. I imagine there are billions of walkers that are barely functional, unable to catch anything, starving slowly. Like that walker on the side of the road in this past episode. Even a dog wasn't afraid of it, and that's unusual. Walkers will eat anything.
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Old November 12 2013, 04:22 AM   #612
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Lol, that dog. I think it was considering snacking on it, & then changed its mind

Given next week's teaser, I find myself wondering about Martinez & Shumpert (The Gov's last 2 men) Clearly, their tents are pitched right next to his. What would possess them to continue to follow him for months after he murdered everyone else? You'd have to be crazy, or scared shitless, & even the fear can't be 24/7. They had to have had an opportunity to ditch by now. Why wouldn't anyone with any sense be looking to distance themselves from that guy?
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Old November 12 2013, 05:09 AM   #613
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Right. How would you distinguish between reanimation and resuscitation if the victim were only dead for, say, two or three minutes? Initial responses are the same for both - movement, breathing (though the zombies don't need to do it, the lower parts of the brain control it, so it happens regardless), eyes open, etc. Conveniently, though, the eyes of the undead always are cloudy. I don't know how quickly the vitreous humour of the eyes starts changing after death, but it seems convenient that the eyes are a dead (pun-intended) giveaway.

Speaking of eyes, shouldn't rotten eyes be a weakness of walkers by now? They may be able to hear and smell, but their vision should be crap by now. At least, I'd expect them to be shuffling around mostly blind.
Well... there's a LOT of questions we can get into if we want to start questioning how various states of decomposition effects how the Walkers operate and behave. I mean we know at the very least they have an "advanced" or particular sense of smell sense they only attack the living by virtue of the living not smelling dead.

I'd suspect even though the eyes are cloudy they have fairly normal vision (or at least the same or similar vision as the person had when they were alive. Harry Potter Walker probably didn't have very good vision since HP had glasses.)

Hell we see Walkers without lower bodies or intestine with the desire to eat. I think they can "see" just fine, probably by bizarre magics that allow their bodies and brains to "operate" at some level and aren't limited to the state of the host's eyes.
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Old November 12 2013, 06:28 AM   #614
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That was just the pole snapping "like a shot" under the strain of the zombies.
That's what I took from it.
Yeah? Maybe you're right. I watched it again, and I'm still not sure. Watch and listen at 29:06 and 29:10.

The two beams crack with pings that could be ricochets or could be stressed wood snapping like a rubber band. After the second beam cracks, look at the stress point below. It's carved out into a cylindrical bullet shape:



Production-wise, maybe it was just a squib to give the illusion of stressed wood snapping on a pre-cut beam.

In fact I think it's definitely a squib. But meant to look like a shot? I don't know. I immediately thought the Governor was at the perimeter - and that turned out to be true.

What do you think?
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Old November 12 2013, 06:33 AM   #615
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I think Rick and Carl would have noticed a gunshot.
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