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Old October 19 2013, 08:52 PM   #136
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Re: The Walking Dead Season 4

Here's my thoughts on the likelihood of the various characters getting killed:

Rick and Glenn: Two of the few remaining cast members and characters from the comic book. Rick is the "hero" of the series and, really, the series is about him and his journey. He's about the safest character on the show. Glenn is our "everyman" and our "trying to make it in this crazy world" character. I'd say he stands a good chance of surviving the series.

Daryl: A fan-favorite character and someone whose come a very long way from the angry redneck in the first season. Given how popular the character is I doubt he'll die any time soon as it'd seriously risk alienating many of the viewers.

Carl: Though an original character and a staple in the comic I'm afraid he may not be long for the world. Children age fast and before too long the child actor's aging faster than Carl is going to become more and more apparent. While four or five years have passed for us it's only been inside two years for the characters. Probably just barely over one year. And Carl's aging shows. It's going to become a bigger and bigger issue, like Walt on "Lost" and either at some point the series will need to jump forward a few years or they'll need to kill Carl to keep things somewhat consistent looking.

Judith: She's a baby. As dark as this show can be I doubt she'll die.

Michonne: A comic book character who's something of a central figure. I doubt she'll die any time soon.

Hershel: Likely has a target on his back, but he's also an important character as he serves as the voice of Rick's conscious. Without introducing another "wise old man" character he's likely pretty safe.

Maggie: She brings the series the "babe factor" as well as being part of Glenn's "arc" of trying to live as normal of a life as possible in this new world. Killing her could bring an interesting arc for Glenn but it's likely she's pretty safe.

Beth: Little more than a background character. She's probably "fairly" safe as killing her would only serve to further "punish" Hershel, who's been "punished enough" to the point his arc is over.

Carol: Frankly, she's beyond on borrowed time. If anyone isn't going to survive the season it'll be her. If for no other reason than for how interesting it'll make things for Daryl's character.

Karen: Don't see her surviving the season.

Sasha: Someone else I don't see surviving the season.

Tyrese: Also don't see him surviving the season.

Alcoholic Black Guy/Prison New Commer: Might as well be wearing a red shirt. He'll likely survivor until the mid-season hiatus. Maybe.


In short: Rick, Daryl, Glenn and Maggie (as well as Judith) I'd say are the safest. Hershel, Beth, Carl and Michonne are pretty safe. Carol is on borrowed time, and everyone else is potential cannon fodder.
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Old October 20 2013, 04:20 AM   #137
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Frankly, Maggie is not really worth much, except that she's hot, & they can find that anywhere. Glenn could be a hell of a lot more interesting if she died. Though I don't anticipate it being anytime soon, I feel like this show may go big shocker in another season or 2 & kill Rick at some point. Him being the anchor for the show has been waning in small ways for quite some time. Hershel is useful, & a welcomed addition, but not a lock for a safe pass.

I do feel like Michonne is here to stay for a while, & I actually feel like Tyrese might have some lasting power, but I could be wrong on that one. Seems like he has a lot of growth potential. I really have a soft spot for Beth, & would hate to see her die, but it's hard to ignore that she's on the list of potential doom.

I don't see Carl as being all that safe either. He is constantly making dumb decisions, taking undue risks & causing difficulty. He always seems to have a lot of wrong thinking going on, because he has something to prove all the time, & that's bad juju, but seeing how there seems to be a theme this season of the kids becoming hardened faster than the adults, I figure he might last the season or at least to the near end of it
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Old October 20 2013, 04:41 AM   #138
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I think Tyrese might be fairly safe. He seems to be a pretty popular character in the comics, so I wouldn't be surprised if they kept the character around to try to build the him up more and match that popularity.
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Old October 20 2013, 04:57 AM   #139
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For the characters I love, it is enough to have spent any time with them at all.

The impact of the characters does not end with their lives. And like Merle, not even death stops some of them from making a terrific and lasting appearance.

No one is "safe," and that's the way I like it.
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Old October 20 2013, 05:40 AM   #140
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I think Beth, Sasha, Karen, Alcoholic Black Guy and maybe Herschel will be among the next to be taken out. I do like Herschel, though, and I hope he sticks around awhile longer.
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Old October 20 2013, 09:45 AM   #141
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I still hope they kill off Rick, I don't care how often people tell me it's his story, it's "The Walking Dead" not "Rick Grimes' zombie adventure", it should be an ensemble show with no central character, shift the focus to a different character depending on the storyline or episode.

I'm pretty sure they'll kill Judith, she's not a character just a living prop, getting rid of her would mean lots of drama and the writers wouldn't be forced to include her in scenes or making up excuses where she is when the main cast is doing interesting stuff. The show started with a little blond girl being shot in the face, so I don't see why they wouldn't kill a baby.

There was one scene that I really disliked in this episode, it was when Rick retrieved the buried gun, what kind of moron would put a working gun in the ground? They didn't have an accident for a month but that doesn't mean they're safe and don't need guns, the friggin zombies are still rattling the fence, they go out for supply runs, the governor is still out there and they know everyone who dies turns, so why would anyone hide a weapon when they're not even safe inside the prison?
What if anyone drops dead in the shower ... oh wait, that happened, I hope whoever decides to take a shower next didn't forget to bring his or her gun to the zombie apocalypse?
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Old October 20 2013, 11:12 AM   #142
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The show started with a little blond girl being shot in the face, so I don't see why they wouldn't kill a baby.
Then in season 2 they shot everyone's favorite little blonde girl in the face
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Old October 20 2013, 11:21 AM   #143
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There was one scene that I really disliked in this episode, it was when Rick retrieved the buried gun, what kind of moron would put a working gun in the ground?
It was my interpretation the gun was buried there for a long time, possibly by a prisoner at some point before the ZA?
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Old October 20 2013, 11:55 AM   #144
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I assumed it had fallen there during the Governor's attack on the prison, suggesting some time had passed.
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Old October 20 2013, 04:43 PM   #145
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Mojochi wrote: View Post
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The show started with a little blond girl being shot in the face, so I don't see why they wouldn't kill a baby.
Then in season 2 they shot everyone's favorite little blonde girl in the face
So, as long as Judith isn't blonde, she might have a chance!

I assumed that the gun was not Rick's, but was one lost at least a few months ago (by the Governor's men or earlier, by those in the prison when things went to Hell). Even if it is his gun (which I doubt), I can forgive it due to its symbolic nature. Rick digging up the gun, then being told by Hershel he needs to arm himself when he goes outside the prison really summed up what Rick's journey has been since we've seen him last and foreshadow's a time in which he'll need to take up arms again.

If I have one criticism about Rick, it's that he doesn't have so much of a character arc, as he allows the events to mold him (yes, I realize that is a character arc, in a way). What I mean is that, to me, Rick's changes aren't meaningful.

Contrast this with Daryl becoming less of an asshole for the sake of being an asshole into a leader or Andrea's slow journey from a "woe is me, everything sucks character" to one who tried to make a difference, or Glenn's arc which brought him from someone willing to risk himself since he didn't have anything to live for to someone who'd die to protect what he has.

This could be viewed in two ways: (1) the writers, partly due to show runners changing at the drop of a hat, haven't put much thought into what they want to do with Rick's character or (2) Rick is the most "human" character, in terms of the fact that we don't have character arcs, we just adapt (or not) to the circumstances of our lives.
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Old October 20 2013, 04:58 PM   #146
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I just took it as some buried gun, from a time before the encampment, that's unearthing was entirely symbolic. Clearly, there'd be no reason to be burying a community weapon in the garden
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Old October 20 2013, 06:06 PM   #147
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The other thing could be is that if Carl has picked up his dad's new attitude he could have buried it. On the time issue, last season started with the season change back to Spring after the ZA. Given Judith is still an immobile infant I'd guess were just a couple months after S3 maybe in that following Summer.
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Old October 20 2013, 07:35 PM   #148
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Seems like I heard somewhere it was 6 months... Talking Dead?
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Old October 20 2013, 08:35 PM   #149
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Haven't read much of the thread (spoilers) but just watched episode 1 - better than most of season 3, but still on the tedious side...
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Old October 20 2013, 09:25 PM   #150
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It seems he actually dug up the gun, it wasn't just laying there. Now, a buried gun won't do you much good against a zombie.

So my interpretation is that it was buried by a prisoner as a sort of insurance policy or perhaps in a jailbreak plan, or some kind of secret trade. Regardless, it would take a long time for a gun to get buried by natural forces in that environment, so I doubt the Governor had dropped it.

Now, in light of the season opening with community building, and them trying to make a life for themselves - I see the gun as a reminder, or even foreshadowing, that there was still danger to face within the walls. That any sense of community and safety was an illusion. As leader, Rick would have to remain aware of that even as he convinced the community of their safety and normalcy. It seemed to me like one of those little details that separates a leader from a group - the sacrifice of any sense of safety. He pulled out his earbud to hear the truth of what was occuring on the other side of the fence. IE, his blanket of security and sanity was a tool, but not his trap.

- And he threw it in the barrow and kept digging, working for improvement, no matter how Sisyphusian. So it reveals the tenacity of his character.
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