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Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

View Poll Results: Grsde "The Crimson Horror"
Geronimo! 52 43.70%
Good 40 33.61%
Average 16 13.45%
Bad 8 6.72%
…You just cannot see it 3 2.52%
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Old May 6 2013, 12:51 PM   #151
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Wonderful! Loved every bit of it, enthralling!
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Old May 6 2013, 01:02 PM   #152
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Loved it (except for the little puppet master thing, which was a rubbish prop, and maybe the Tom Tom joke which was unbelievably obvious) - so many homages to both Dr Who (Talons, etc) and other stuff (Horror Express and Carry On Screaming especially).

It really felt like a back-door pilot, which would be good. And Diana Rigg and Rachael Stirling were fucking great! Loved the grainy early film look for the flashback!
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Old May 6 2013, 01:26 PM   #153
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I'm looking fwd to next week's

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Old May 6 2013, 01:46 PM   #154
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Loved the grainy early film look for the flashback!
Particularly just how far they went making it look like an old film. Loved the fast moving minions when they moved in to capture the Doctor and Clara.
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Old May 6 2013, 02:49 PM   #155
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Meh. It's another one of those "just sort of there" crap episodes.

An uninteresting story (I fell asleep trying to watch it... twice), unfunny moments (fainting guy, Thomas Thomas, just about anything with Strax) shoehorned in, and over zealous Gold music that doesn't fit.
Yeah, I think you've pretty much just summed it up for me there.
I thought you didn't understand the plot? Maybe if you understood it, it would have been more interesting to you.
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Old May 6 2013, 03:51 PM   #156
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Oh, and is it just me, or was anybody else totally convinced that Mr Sweet was gonna be the Great Intelligence again?
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Old May 6 2013, 04:09 PM   #157
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I'm really straining to find anything wrong with that episode...

I'm also suprised (and maybe I missed it) that no one has mentioned the HUGE Monty Python callback "Trouble at mill!" comment.. I practically had a giggle fit and had to rewind just to make sure I heard it right.

Tom-Tom - Sure it was filler, but it was FUNNY filler...
Tegan - LOVED that...

I had to watch the episode in fits and starts this weekend due to work and family stuff so I completely missed that the old lady was Diana Rigg until I finally sat at watched it straight through last night. Didn't realize that her daughter was in it as well.

Top notch turns all around and I'm really looking forward to next week.. I really dig the new streamlined Cyberman look..
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I liked the episode, but less than the others. The humor felt forced in most cases, and the reactions of people to Madame Vastra seemed ... odd. The British in the 19th century were a proud and self-important people; contemptuous of foreigners and indulgent with racism. Upon seeing Vastra and/or Strax, I'd expect the dominant reaction to be revulsion or insufferable pity for such tragically disfigured people. And can no one see through Vastra's veil except the camera? It's pretty obvious she's a bit inhuman even with her veil down.

I didn't enjoy Strax as much as I did in "The Snowmen" -- I think because the writing wasn't quite as witty. Although he still had cute one-liners, the thing that really sold him in the Christmas episode was the memory worm sequence.

Diana Rigg was just amazing, though. She's no longer the looker in tight leather, but she sure can act! She and her daughter made this episode worth watching.

Smith was a joy, as usual. And horrific as The Monster. At least I found him so: to see such a loquacious character struck dumb raised goose pimples. Talk about revulsion! Must have been my English half. My only complaint was the complete turnaround after he emerged from his cloistered treatment. Fully clothed and kicking his heels, at least a little disorientation and an untied bow-tie would have been a bit more believable.

I didn't like the slap after he kissed Jenny, either. Not because she wouldn't do that, but because it was the exact same reaction and camera angle used when Rory slugged him back in "The Big Bang". Like the repeated dramatic reveals of Madame Vastra's face, it just felt forced and repetitive.

About that rocket: rockets designed like that didn't emerge until the 1930s. In fact, earlier work concentrated on putting the engines up top ... Robert Goddard did extensive work with such an arrangement because it was generally believed that a rocket pulled from its nose was more stable than one pushed from its tail. Of course, most fireworks rockets did have the engine at the back, so that's not really a mistake, but visually the vehicle looked too much like a design that wouldn't be seen on the planet for another fifty years. A V2 with rivets.

I doubt the gang would have been so unscathed from that launch, too! I'm assuming the missile would have had a range of only a few miles before it exploded, but it looked like it was built out of iron, so it'd have to have quite a bit of thrust to move all that mass. The Doctor et al should have been burned and deafened by what they'd just experienced -- probably killed!
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Old May 6 2013, 04:47 PM   #159
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^ Did you think it just might be possible that Mr Sweet helped with that rocket? Although, I have to admit that whatever benefits he provided to the symbiotic relationship was left vague.

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Old May 6 2013, 05:05 PM   #160
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Why would Mr. Sweet know about Rockets?
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Old May 6 2013, 05:16 PM   #161
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Mrs. G was referred to as a brilliant chemist (there's your rocket propellent) and engineer (there's your big Steampunky explodey rocket). Mr. Sweet's imperative was to distribute his venom as widely as possible. Mrs. G provided the means.
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Old May 6 2013, 05:17 PM   #162
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I really enjoyed the episode as a whole and only have two nitpicks. One is the fainting guy who was unfunny all three times and the second was the Doctor doing funny voices. I felt it was unnecessary and pulled me out of the tale. Strax was again a provider of great laughs.
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^ Did you think it just might be possible that Mr Sweet helped with that rocket? Although, I have to admit that whatever benefits he provided to the symbiotic relationship was left vague.

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Of course I did, but as you note, his contribution was undefined. And, given the history noted by Madam Vastra, I think JoeZhang is right to question what rocketry experience he'd bring to the relationship. It's a question someone should have been asking.
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Old May 6 2013, 05:52 PM   #164
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Why would Mr. Sweet know about Rockets?
Learned it from the Silurians?
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Why would Mr. Sweet know about Rockets?
Learned it from the Silurians?
[squints and thinks about it]

Okay, I'll give you that.
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