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Old May 2 2013, 07:08 PM   #31
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Re: The Borg and JJ's universe

OneBuck: remember Multi-Quote, please. I'll merge your triple post.
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Old May 2 2013, 07:31 PM   #32
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On topic; What are the Borg up to in JJ's universe right now - any speculation? Because of all of the temporal activity in the Alpha quadrant it wouldn't peak their interest?
next movie premise: We know the Borg seek out technology worthy of assimilation. Certainly the Narada's advanced tech, especially since it included 25th century Borg tech would be a very tempting target for the Borg from nuKirk's era. So, the Borg come to the Alpha Quadrant seeking to assimilate the tech from the Narada.
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Old May 2 2013, 08:24 PM   #33
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^^^ That's assuming there is anything left of it that wasn't sucked in by the black hole and/or destroyed by the Enterprise's ejected beer tanks...er...warp core.

Yeah, I wouldn't be opposed to seeing the Borg come back in the next one. Might be interesting...
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Old May 2 2013, 08:28 PM   #34
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Ahhhh fuck me...

I think I know how it could be done: V'ger. They could merge V'ger and the concept of the Borg and have V'ger (still Voyager VI / Voyager II) being at the core, but in its effort to evolve it started assimilating humans to try to figure out how to merge with God.
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Old May 2 2013, 08:33 PM   #35
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They already did include a V'Ger-Borg connection in the Nero comics back in 2009.
I think it was that both V'Ger and the Borg are products of an unknown, ancient civilization.
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Old May 2 2013, 08:39 PM   #36
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Do these universes get created, or they always existed. If it was created then the Narada's appearance created a copy of an entire universe and a copy of everyone in it.

So the NuUniverse has no past and didn't exist, therefore no appearances by future visits or anyone else.
I don't think of a new timeline being created. I interpret it as one timeline branching into two. That before 2233, the prime Universe and JJVerse share a past, in that sense they both always existed.
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Old May 2 2013, 08:44 PM   #37
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Another way of doing the Borg: Starfleet has Enterprise's records, some remains from the arctic. Figures, "we can make this shit work for us"; cue Borg invasion.
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Old May 2 2013, 11:51 PM   #38
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I'd like to see TNG reboot to follow this J.J TOS verse, A new modern and once again scary Borg sounds tasty to me
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Old May 3 2013, 12:05 AM   #39
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Like I said in another thread, I wouldn't mind if they adapted "Q Who?" and used Trelane instead of Q (played by James Callis of course).

A big budget borg movie could show us a lot of things they couldn't do on TV, like a ground view of a planet being sliced up and assimilated.

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Old May 3 2013, 12:09 AM   #40
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why didn't The Enterprise E, assisting with First Contact, also creat an alternate timeline?
Picard and crew's actions in ST:FC didn't create an *alternate* timeline, they merely fulfilled the existing one. Meaning: The Ent-E's participation in the events of 2063 was always supposed to happen. It's a predestination paradox.
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Old May 3 2013, 12:43 AM   #41
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why didn't The Enterprise E, assisting with First Contact, also creat an alternate timeline?
Picard and crew's actions in ST:FC didn't create an *alternate* timeline, they merely fulfilled the existing one. Meaning: The Ent-E's participation in the events of 2063 was always supposed to happen. It's a predestination paradox.
So does that mean they were there the first time? It seems it would cause an endless loop in the timeline. Just like in the TNG episode "Cause and Effect."

Or is it like the DS9 episode "Trial and Tribu-lation" that was not a predestination paradox?

Do non-predestination paradox's create an alternate reality?
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Old May 3 2013, 04:13 AM   #42
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I think it was that both V'Ger and the Borg are products of an unknown, ancient civilization.
The machine planet alluded to in TMP, right?
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Old May 3 2013, 04:28 AM   #43
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I think it was that both V'Ger and the Borg are products of an unknown, ancient civilization.
The machine planet alluded to in TMP, right?
Nice idea, and great speculative story, IMHO.

No link established or eluded to on screen though.
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Old May 5 2013, 12:17 PM   #44
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Do these universes get created, or they always existed. If it was created then the Narada's appearance created a copy of an entire universe and a copy of everyone in it.

So the NuUniverse has no past and didn't exist, therefore no appearances by future visits or anyone else.
I may be wrong, but I don't think anything is copied. It's the same matter, just in a different quantum state. Like those little holograms on credit cards and DVD boxes - same sticker, but if you look at it from a different angle it's a different picture.
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Old May 5 2013, 01:00 PM   #45
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Linking the Borg with V'ger for its own sake would be somewhat bizarre. They didn't have that much in common, and in a universe where all species look so similar to each other, casually linking two very different things won't feel right. V'ger's closest thing was Nomad, and the Borg are closest to the repair station in ENT: Dead Stop. I guess most viewers won't know about the repair station, but if anything is linked to the Borg's history, this is the closest match.

On the other hand, a good story of focused on an experimental technology gone wrong that somehow leads to the creation of V'ger and the Borg at the same time would be awesome and creepy, I'd love it. And Dead Stop and Nomad stories could be seen as an example of how such things happened often, but without such disastrous consequences most of the time.

Unfortunately, I don't think this will fit as a plot for one of the films. Maybe a future series.
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