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Old October 22 2013, 12:00 AM   #136
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Would a scatter shot or buck shot perform better?
One would assume that's what's loaded in any shotgun. It pretty much guarantees a hit at close range, but you're still only going to hit one zombie. At the range Jamie was shooting I don't think buckshot would disperse more than a couple of inches.
Well it's not enough to hit a zombie, you need to destroy the brain, so I think in anything other than point blank range, birdshot is going to be useless. Even buckshot may be of limited use as accuracy drops off rather sharply at the 10-15m mark IIRC.

Of course the whole point of a shotgun is that it's not meant to be accurate, so it's far from the optimal weapon for this kind of job. It's been a while since I've read WWZ, but if memory serves the author reasons that the best ranged weapon for this kind of thing is a small calibre semi-auto rifle. Even then, when faced with a large horde the idea is to form a firing line or square.

When faced with horde alone the best thing to do is not use a gun a all if at all possible. Mostly, stay quiet, stay hidden and the weapon of first recourse is always a blade....I really need to read that book again sometime. All this talk of killing zombies is making me all nostalgic!
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Old October 22 2013, 12:08 AM   #137
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It also helps to have a friend in a wheelchair!
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Old October 22 2013, 12:54 AM   #138
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Well if I do ever have to fight zombies, I hope it's the ones from Walking Dead. You can smash in (or slice off) their heads with hardly any effort at all, it seems like.
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Old November 29 2013, 12:03 AM   #139
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Watched the Thanksgiving special on the Science Channel. During the commercials there were ads for a Pumpkin Chuckin' show on tonight hosted by the Jr. Team. In the promo we see a family eating a T-Day dinner which is interrupted when a pumpkin crashes through the house and on the dining table. The Jr. Team comes in shocked exclaiming the pumpkin went a mile. Seems an odd commercial to make given the team's history with projectiles going unexpected distances into people's homes.
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Old November 29 2013, 03:59 PM   #140
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Old December 30 2013, 03:54 AM   #141
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Heads up! This coming Saturday, January 4, at 8 PM Eastern, there's a new episode called "Star Wars: Revenge of the Myth." The description says they'll be testing:

Swinging Luke and Leia across a chasm with a grappling hook; an Ewok log crushing an Imperial ``Chicken Walker''; surviving in a tauntaun's belly.
Interesting selection. I shudder to think how they'll handle the tauntaun myth. But they'd better do the walker thing full-scale (although I'm sure it'll be with a static replica).
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Old December 30 2013, 01:27 PM   #142
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Heads up! This coming Saturday, January 4, at 8 PM Eastern, there's a new episode called "Star Wars: Revenge of the Myth." The description says they'll be testing:

Swinging Luke and Leia across a chasm with a grappling hook; an Ewok log crushing an Imperial ``Chicken Walker''; surviving in a tauntaun's belly.
Interesting selection. I shudder to think how they'll handle the tauntaun myth. But they'd better do the walker thing full-scale (although I'm sure it'll be with a static replica).
They made a full-size tauntaun, going by the pics they posted on Facebook...
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Old December 30 2013, 04:45 PM   #143
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Looking forward to this one!
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Old December 30 2013, 04:51 PM   #144
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Hold on... apparently the Star Wars special is the season premiere. So should we begin a new thread for the new season?
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Old December 30 2013, 05:12 PM   #145
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Well, this one isn't exactly filling up. Maybe we could just get a mod to change the thread title to make it the ongoing discussion thread?
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Old January 5 2014, 03:37 AM   #146
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Not sure if we're going to continue with this thread or start a new one.

Very good episode and looks like a fun season ahead.

Not much to say, really, on everything that happened. The jumping the chasm "myth" wasn't too surprising. It seemed "possible" but as they tested it out to be just very difficult.

The AT-ST test was interesting. Surprising on how heavy the two logs they picked were (and, yeah, it's hard to believe the Ewoks would've been able to rig that up but maybe they have some advanced rope/crane/pulley technology we didn't see?) and considering the mass of those two logs that they went with a wooden structure for the test. I'm also surprised how much damage the logs actually did to the armored truck!

The tauntaun test was also interesting but, also, didn't bring too surprising of results. Of course the question could also be how Han survived in the cold without the warmth of an animal while he built the shelter. IIRC he was no more heavily dressed than Luke was so he would've lost heat just as fast (if not faster) which would have really impacted his ability to build the shelter.

And maybe it's me but I never took it he was going to build a snow shelter but had something on-hand with his survival gear that'd make him a shelter rather quickly.

Surprising how many hurdles they had in testing that myth and that they still had the Titanic rig to test the heat-loss with.
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Old January 5 2014, 03:47 AM   #147
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Assuming we're still using this thread, here's my post on the season-premiere Star Wars special. I like it how they did one myth from each of the three movies. (The three that count, anyway.)

Chasm swing: Interesting. It seems such a simple stunt in principle, but the specifics are a lot harder to get right than you'd think. Who knew it was that hard to throw a grappling hook around a pipe? And the problem with having the line attached to the belt never occurred to me. (Although a good point was raised in the Twitter commentary superimposed over the episode: Namely, that Luke probably weighed a lot less than Jamie, so the strain might not have been as great. They should've gotten people of the right weight to do the swing, like maybe Grant subbing for Luke.)

I was surprised that they had their "guest Leia" just hang on to Jamie and the rope rather than being in her own safety harness. Although it seemed to work just fine. I've never heard of the actress they used -- Sophia Bush, was it? -- but she's really pretty.

Adam did something that bewilders me, something that Americans seem to do a lot: pronouncing "cosplay" like "cozplay." Which is bizarre, since it's short for "costume play," and nobody says "coztume." The original Japanese word is kosupure, which is the closest Japanese approximation of "cos(tume) play" and is definitely pronounced with an S sound rather than a Z sound. So I have no idea where people are getting the notion that it should be pronounced as though it had something to do with Bill Cosby.


Ewok log trap: They raised a lot of good points about the logistical unlikelihood of this one -- how could the Ewoks have gotten the logs into position and been sure they'd get a target at the right height and location? But the result was startlingly effective. The second smash-up they did with Buster as the pilot looked very much like the movie scene, except for the explosion.

It's also a bit surprising that they got someone to give them an armored truck to wreck.

Speaking of cosplay, I'm disappointed that Kari wouldn't go along with the Slave Leia idea, but she looked pretty nice in that R2-D2 dress.


Tauntaun shelter: I was wondering how they'd do this one, and honestly I'm a bit surprised they didn't use a pig carcass or something. Although really they would've needed the carcass of a fair-sized horse at the very least. And Jamie made a good point that they needed an analog for an Arctic animal, and I doubt they could've gotten their hands on a polar bear carcass. I'm quite relieved that they constructed an artificial analog. It was clever how they did so, although it didn't work as well as they intended. I'm surprised there wasn't some other ready-made substance they could use for the intestines, like maybe sausage casings.

It's also impressive how well the "tauntaun" worked as an insulator, but I suppose it makes sense. The animal's body would be designed to retain heat, after all. What surprised me was that they interpreted Han's "shelter" as an ice cave. I always took the line to mean that he had some kind of collapsible tent with him.

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Of course the question could also be how Han survived in the cold without the warmth of an animal while he built the shelter. IIRC he was no more heavily dressed than Luke was so he would've lost heat just as fast (if not faster) which would have really impacted his ability to build the shelter.
Remember, they said Luke had already lost 3-4 degrees and was mildly hypothermic when Han found him. And he was unconscious and immobile. Han's activity building the shelter would've helped keep his body temperature up.


The preview for the upcoming season looks really interesting. Some things there I can't wait to see. It looks like they're even recreating their classic cement-mixer explosion, perhaps in order to get some proper high-speed footage this time.
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Old January 5 2014, 03:48 AM   #148
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The tauntaun test was also interesting but, also, didn't bring too surprising of results. Of course the question could also be how Han survived in the cold without the warmth of an animal while he built the shelter. IIRC he was no more heavily dressed than Luke was so he would've lost heat just as fast (if not faster) which would have really impacted his ability to build the shelter.

And maybe it's me but I never took it he was going to build a snow shelter but had something on-hand with his survival gear that'd make him a shelter rather quickly.
Han hadn't been out in the snow as long as Luke, hadn't suffered the exposure, hadn't lost a fight with a wampa and he was engaged in physical activity that would help him keep warm.
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Old January 5 2014, 04:09 AM   #149
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Speaking of cosplay, I'm disappointed that Kari wouldn't go along with the Slave Leia idea, but she looked pretty nice in that R2-D2 dress.
I thought she also looked nice in the forest Leia camo.

Adam did something that bewilders me, something that Americans seem to do a lot: pronouncing "cosplay" like "cozplay." Which is bizarre, since it's short for "costume play," and nobody says "coztume." The original Japanese word is kosupure, which is the closest Japanese approximation of "cos(tume) play" and is definitely pronounced with an S sound rather than a Z sound. So I have no idea where people are getting the notion that it should be pronounced as though it had something to do with Bill Cosby.
I've heard it pronounced both ways. I say it with the "s" sound but the "z" sound doesn't surprise me. It's probably systemic of general English-speaking laziness of slurring words and sounds into new ones. Might also be a regional accent thing.

I was surprised that they had their "guest Leia" just hang on to Jamie and the rope rather than being in her own safety harness. Although it seemed to work just fine. I've never heard of the actress they used -- Sophia Bush, was it? -- but she's really pretty.
I liked her too as I was also surprised that she wasn't in a rig or something to, especially considering what happed to mannequin-Leia during the tests.

It's also a bit surprising that they got someone to give them an armored truck to wreck.
They probably simply bought an old/decommissioned one like most of the vehicles they wreck. It may have been damaged, to old or obsolete to be viable for use. That or they just simply bought one and wrecked like they do with classic cars people sell from their driveways.

Remember, they said Luke had already lost 3-4 degrees and was mildly hypothermic when Han found him. And he was unconscious and immobile. Han's activity building the shelter would've helped keep his body temperature up.
Oh, I know they gave "Luke" the head-start. But I don't think I've ever heard/been told that "staying active" stays off hypothermia at some point your body can't create heat faster than it's losing it. I would think being in arctic temperatures of 30 or 40 below zero Celsius it doesn't matter how active and healthy you are your body can only make so much heat so fast. At even starting to get cold is going to have an impact on finer motor skills and concentration.

I was disappointed as well Kari didn't get into the Slave Leia dress but that's probably asking too much. Hope to see another "Star Wars" episode done down the road plenty of other good scenes for them to test and recreate! Also, of note, this is the first movie/TV-based show in a while to use actual footage from the source material rather than recreating it with animations or re-enacting it with the cast.

I'm surprised there wasn't some other ready-made substance they could use for the intestines, like maybe sausage casings.
Sausage casing would have been even more difficult to work with. They're not greatly resilient to stress and abuse and you have to be very delicate with them in even the best of conditions.

Christopher, I think we can just keep this thread given that it's not very big. PM one of the TV/Media mods and have them change the title to just "Mythbusters Discussion" or something to get rid of the "10th Anniversary Season" part.
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Oh, I know they gave "Luke" the head-start. But I don't think I've ever heard/been told that "staying active" stays off hypothermia at some point your body can't create heat faster than it's losing it. I would think being in arctic temperatures of 30 or 40 below zero Celsius it doesn't matter how active and healthy you are your body can only make so much heat so fast. At even starting to get cold is going to have an impact on finer motor skills and concentration.
True but staying active can help delay things.

I was out in -30C yesterday morning and can tell you that it's worse just being then when you're moving about.
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