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Old August 8 2013, 10:26 AM   #886
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So this big ship, has this bridge window, and you believe without hesitation that it's over 1200 meters long.

So this big ship has an identical bridge window and you believe it's 300 meters long.

James, do you realize how strange that seems to the rest of us? Especially considering that the shuttlebay of the new Enterprise is easily comparable to the hangar and flight deck of a modern aircraft carrier ALL BY ITSELF?

Let's do a real world comparison.

Here is the USS Enterprise next to Alcatraz Island (342 meters long). Well, actually the Carl Vinson, but she's a dead ringer for our purposes...



Here is USS Vengenace next to Alcatraz Island


It's not even close.
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Old August 8 2013, 11:19 AM   #887
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Locutus, are you seriously going to use a picture of that idiot? You couldn't pick a better character, you had to pick the worst Star Wars character ever?
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No one's going to get in trouble because they made fun of the fact that I used a Mace Windu pic. I just ignored it because like most of the other stuff he's posted, he missed the point completely.
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Old August 8 2013, 01:30 PM   #888
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Crazy Eddie wrote: View Post
So this big ship, has this bridge window, and you believe without hesitation that it's over 1200 meters long.

So this big ship has an identical bridge window and you believe it's 300 meters long.

James, do you realize how strange that seems to the rest of us? Especially considering that the shuttlebay of the new Enterprise is easily comparable to the hangar and flight deck of a modern aircraft carrier ALL BY ITSELF?

Let's do a real world comparison.

Here is the USS Enterprise next to Alcatraz Island (342 meters long). Well, actually the Carl Vinson, but she's a dead ringer for our purposes...



Here is USS Vengenace next to Alcatraz Island


It's not even close.
The Carl Vinson would fit inside the Vengeance's engineering hull with room to spare.

The Vengeance is so overpowered it has aircraft carriers as shuttlecraft.
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Old August 8 2013, 01:33 PM   #889
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Awesome comparison, Crazy Eddie!
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Old August 8 2013, 01:47 PM   #890
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Two shuttles passing over the Enterprise's saucer. Given that the shuttles are closer to the viewer than the saucer, the saucer is fucking huge, way bigger than the TOS Enterprise.
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Old August 9 2013, 06:31 AM   #891
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I've never understood the complaining about the larger sizes.

- She looks like Kirk's Enterprise from TOS -- arguably better depending on personal preferences
- She does the same things; she has phasers, photons, transporters and warp
- the added size can be better in regards to adding new capabilities down the line (imagine this becoming a show after the movies run?)
- the size scales up just fine
- Star Trek itself has done this about a zillion times before, so it's actually expected for things to change size. :P Must be due to their mass lightening technology. :P

Now, you have Vengeance.

Enterprise and her ships technically sucked bad when facing Narada -- Narada was defeated by outwitting her, much like how most of Trek goes for the Federation.

Enter a bigger ship, which hopefully may not suck as much if another threat like Narada comes alone. No one really wants their planet sucked into a black hole after all. Which Earth was on its way to becoming, except for future tech in the form of Jellyfish, which they lost and have no way of recovering.
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Old August 9 2013, 04:16 PM   #892
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I just want to say thank you to King Daniel and everyone else who contributed all that analysis and information on the reboot Enterprise being over 700m. Honestly, you have improved my viewing experience of the new films.

Back in 2009, some people arguing that the Enterprise was inconsistently scaled really ruined my enjoyment of the movies. I bought into the idea that the Enterprise really was 300m and was purposely scaled inconsistently during the shuttlebay and engineering scenes because the filmmakers were too lazy to obey the size restrictions and simply wanted a larger interior. This destroyed my suspension of disbelief because I couldn't believe that that massive shuttlebay and engineering section could fit inside a 300m ship and I got distracted watching those scenes. Unfortunately, I was convinced by the argument that it was 300m.

Now, with incontrovertible evidence that it IS 700m after all, and with diagrams showing how the interiors could fit in nicely, I am much more comfortable watching and loving the ship. So, thank you very much.

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Old August 9 2013, 05:28 PM   #893
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See? We made a difference! Good job everybody!
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Old August 9 2013, 06:04 PM   #894
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Happy to have been of help!
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Old August 9 2013, 08:37 PM   #895
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So to recap:
TOS Enterprise is about 300m
Reboot Enterprise is about 725m
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Old August 9 2013, 08:42 PM   #896
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Kevman7987 wrote: View Post
So to recap:
TOS Enterprise is about 360m
Reboot Enterprise is about 725m
And Vengeance is about 1400m, that's essentially all there is to the topic and the last 1000 pages or whatever it's been.
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Old August 9 2013, 10:28 PM   #897
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Big Bootie Bitchships.
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Old August 10 2013, 12:39 AM   #898
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Big Bootie Bitchships.
Does that make the Enterprise/Vengeance fight a catfight in space?
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Old August 10 2013, 03:39 AM   #899
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Lets toss some gasoline on this fire

Truth is there is no way that the big E can be any less than 900-1100 meters in length based on the size of the shuttle bay, budgeneering and all the other mammoth sets that couldn't fit into a 725 meter spaceframe

In fact it was supposed to be 1100 meters

Dan did a fabulous write up that showed how everything actually gels with that size a couple years ago

I say it's 1100 meters and not a farthing less

Galactica Schmaltica. E is the biggest bi#ch in space
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Old August 10 2013, 04:19 AM   #900
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DON'T YOU DARE.
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