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Old May 27 2013, 02:53 AM   #376
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I agree: no point in continuing this conversation.
Instead of making vague allusions, and other vague claims of being knowledgeable on the subject, why don't you, you know, show some evidence ?
My evidence is: Argo.
Aha. And the story in Argo was set when?
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Old May 27 2013, 06:39 AM   #377
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No, we're fan-wanking up reasons for why the ships are big, based on the production staff's (probably cocaine-fueled) Hollywood dream of massive starships housing a million shuttles sitting on the head of a pin.


Yep, the problem must be with them, and not the guy who takes fictional spaceship sizes so seriously (and argues his point of view so poorly and without solid evidence) that he has to resort to making baseless accusations of cocaine use against the people who came up with it. Why is this so important to you?
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Old May 27 2013, 09:29 AM   #378
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No, we're fan-wanking up reasons for why the ships are big, based on the production staff's (probably cocaine-fueled) Hollywood dream of massive starships housing a million shuttles sitting on the head of a pin.


Yep, the problem must be with them, and not the guy who takes fictional spaceship sizes so seriously (and argues his point of view so poorly and without solid evidence) that he has to resort to making baseless accusations of cocaine use against the people who came up with it. Why is this so important to you?
WarpfactorZ cant handle the size of the NuEnterprise and so he hijacks every conversation on the board and starts spouting rubbish.

There were more than a few who were not convinced on the size of the ships when Star Trek (2009) was released, once the sizes were confirmed by the designers they let it go, WarpfactorZ cant seem to do that.

He thinks that if he whinges and whines enough everyone will agree with him and reality will change accordingly.

If you ask me I think he is just trolling the board now.
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Old May 27 2013, 09:46 AM   #379
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WarpfactorZ cant handle the size of the NuEnterprise and so he hijacks every conversation on the board and starts spouting rubbish.

There were more than a few who were not convinced on the size of the ships when Star Trek (2009) was released, once the sizes were confirmed by the designers they let it go, WarpfactorZ cant seem to do that.

He thinks that if he whinges and whines enough everyone will agree with him and reality will change accordingly.

If you ask me I think he is just trolling the board now.
It was a rhetorical question. Please don't accuse anyone of trolling and watch the personal comments.
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Old May 27 2013, 09:54 AM   #380
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They upscaled it to make it look bigger but it was a bad idea because it doesnt have enough windows.
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Old May 27 2013, 10:43 AM   #381
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My evidence is: Argo.
Nice try. Evidence that this particular scene was written under the influence of drugs, please.

Warp, really, all you have to do is admit that you were being mean because you don't like the change. I won't hold it against you; just be careful what you accuse people of.
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Old May 27 2013, 01:18 PM   #382
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But it's not justifiable from a function point of view. Making something "bigger" because of a threat is nonsense. An adversary won't be intimidated by the size of a weapon, but rather by its effect (see: nuclear bomb delivered by one plane, vs firebombing via squadron -- which caused the Japanese emperor to surrender?).
I've asked you this before, and you didn't answer. I'm gonna try again.

If making ships bigger makes no sense, why does Starfleet operate the SMALL (Nova), MEDIUM (Intrepid) and LARGE (Sovereign) class ships, all of the same basic shape and all with the same abilities? Can you tell me one thing the Sovereign class Enterprise-E can do that the much smaller Voyager cannot?

And remember, in-universe ships got SMALLER between the Kelvin era and the TOS one. They didn't in the AU.

The ships in the Abramsverse are big for ONLY ONE reason: they wanted the shuttle bay to look like it could land 1000 troops at once. For some reason, the transporter is no longer the favored method of getting from land to ship.

So, one is free to "justify" why the ships are big all they want. But in the end, it came down to one person saying "Hey, wouldn't it be fucking cool if there were, like, 20 -- no, 30 fucking shuttles parked at once?!!!" (homage to the Lindelof interview posted elsewhere).
Wait, being able to carry shuttlecraft ISN'T a justifyable reason? It sure seems like one to me. I imagine it plays a big role is determining the size of aircraft carriers today.

Besides, you're still saying this like there's some meaningful reason the old Enterprise was the size that it was. Could you please enlighten me? It there any good reason why 300m is THE starship size?
No, we're fan-wanking up reasons for why the ships are big, based on the production staff's (probably cocaine-fueled) Hollywood dream of massive starships housing a million shuttles sitting on the head of a pin.
Okay, cos all prior Enterprise designers were monks and Gene Roddenberry was a teetotaller.

Please could YOU wank out a good reason why 300 meters is THE starship size? Why have a 2-deck saucer rim and not 1? Or 4? Why go for the ridiculous Enterprise saucer/hull/nacelles shape at all?? Less ranting, more explaining, please.
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Old May 27 2013, 01:49 PM   #383
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The Vengeance is a grain of sand compared to the size of the Solar System.
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Old May 27 2013, 11:49 PM   #384
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I love me the upscaled NuTrek starships!

Works perfectly well, IMO.
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Old May 27 2013, 11:54 PM   #385
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The Enterprise looks big, solid, majestic on screen, and that's the case even if you don't like the design itself. There's never been a starship that looks better presented in the history of cinema.

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Old May 28 2013, 12:24 AM   #386
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The Enterprise looks big, solid, majestic on screen, and that's the case even if you don't like the design itself. There's never been a starship that looks better presented in the history of cinema.

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Old May 28 2013, 01:06 AM   #387
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The Enterprise looks big, solid, majestic on screen, and that's the case even if you don't like the design itself. There's never been a starship that looks better presented in the history of cinema.

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Old May 28 2013, 01:32 AM   #388
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I agree with it.
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Old May 28 2013, 01:38 AM   #389
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The Enterprise looks big, solid, majestic on screen, and that's the case even if you don't like the design itself. There's never been a starship that looks better presented in the history of cinema.

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I agree with it.
I do too.

The design has some flaws. But, fuck, does it look awesome in this movie.
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Old May 28 2013, 02:00 AM   #390
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When they light 1701 up in TMP, I think that's the most glorious beauty shot of any spaceship, anywhere, ever.

But this new design is just as majestic.
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