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Old May 2 2013, 01:59 AM   #31
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Re: Uhura - A message from Harrison & first look at Klingon with no he

The new look doesn't do anything for me. I don't quite agree with you Horatio on the reasons for your vibe, but there was something off about the picture for me too. It looks like another black guy playing a Klingon. Sure there have been whites and possibly others who have played Klingons, but it seemed like black actors became the go-to from TNG on for a lot of Klingon roles, but few leads ones beyond Worf and Kurn.
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Old May 2 2013, 02:07 AM   #32
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I like it. Less Ming the Merciless (TOS, TAS), and less 'member of 80s thrash metal band' (TMP, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT); more terrifying huge Uruk Hai looking ogre (Into Darkness). Bring it on
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Old May 2 2013, 02:13 AM   #33
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My brother is bald and I have a full head of hair.... Must be some type of family reboot or recon going on!

Seriously I remember seeing a site which examined all the variations in Klingon ridges. There was no ridges of TOS, very high pronounced in TPM but the other TOS films were more subtle. With the TNG it was kind of between those two.

Their idea was that Klingons like Chang could have had implants to hide the effects of the virus in ENT. Bottom line it's much more interesting to see all these variations in makeup and hair style. It always bugged me that in TNG/DS9/VOY era that every Klingon, Vulcan, Romulan looked exactly alike in clothing, hair and makeup. That's not believable or interesting. Though any times variations have been tried some fans feel a mistake is made or has to be explain....

We have to explain why some Klingons have piercings and others do not? Really!

I agree. Modern day hew mons don't look identical or homogenous. Why should all members of an alien culture? There's no reason why some Klingons can't be tall, huge, balding, have piercings; and some have prominent ridges, and others more subtle ones. I always thought the ridges were like a fingerprint. Each individual Klingon has slightly different ones.
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Old May 2 2013, 02:17 AM   #34
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On the original series McCoy was the chief doctor on the Enterprise. This business of overanalyzing and assigning the characters symbolic roles is something that fans came up with, possibly in fanzines during the original NBC run but more likely during the 1970s and that Roddenberry repeated back retrospectively. You don't find much of that stuff in things like, oh, the writers guidelines for the series.

QFT. Thank you. Thank you. Furthermore, as the movies went on and Kelley got older, Bones became less important in the so-called "triad" and the movies became the "Kirk and Spock Show".


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Old May 2 2013, 02:28 AM   #35
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Waaaaaay too greasy looking, IMO. Like someone poured a cup of oil over his head. But other than that, I'm fine with the look. It's a Klingon.

I'll reserve final judgement on the NuKlingons till after I see the film.
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Old May 2 2013, 03:02 AM   #36
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The quality of that picture is so blurry its hard to really tell the color or detail. I think that "greasy look" is just the light reflecting from the torch.
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Old May 2 2013, 03:47 AM   #37
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Lets see different skin colors, clothing, hairstyles. Some with piercings and only a few with facial hair. I am not convinced they all are the same species or live on the same planet.
Trek has always indulged in a casual kind of racial stereotyping with its aliens. Early on I think it was a matter of being able to afford only a few makeup and costuming cues to indicate difference from human beings. Over time, as the Franchise gave up all pretense of treating alien species as other than representing human national/ethnic differences the whole "they all look alike/dress alike/act alike" thing got really annoying.
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Old May 2 2013, 03:56 AM   #38
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I always thought the ridges were like a fingerprint. Each individual Klingon has slightly different ones.
In Michael Westmore-style Klingons, the ridge patterns run in families; Kurn and Alexander have ridges nearly identical to Worf's, and all the Duras family members have pretty much the same ridges.
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Old May 2 2013, 06:08 AM   #39
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They should have kept the helmets.
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Old May 2 2013, 12:53 PM   #40
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I don't buy the "wig sticking to the inside of the helmet" story. Couldn't they use stronger adhesive for the hair on the head prosthetic? Or how about doing an unmasking scene with a specifically made helmet that's missing its back half so the hair doesn't get stuck to it. You can hide the missing gap in the helmet so it looks like an ordinary helmet removal.

But worst of all, what about the lack of facial hair? That's what stinks about this excuse from the makeup department. It may be a stereotype, but Klingons always rock the facial hair. I'm sure I've even seen some female Klingons with facial hair in at least one episode. The fact that the unmasked Klingon is clean shaven leads me to conclude that this is not about a makeup malfunction. I imagine this little spiel was presented by someone in Abrams' office at some point during preproduction:

"We're taking the Trek mythos in a new and exciting direction! First bald Romulans, now bald Klingons! It's a pity we can't make Cumberbatch bald for the film too, but we can't afford to sweep another lawsuit under the rug after he defenestrated the last stylist who tried to shave him against his will. Love that guy! He'll be a perfect Khan!"

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Old May 2 2013, 12:56 PM   #41
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Old May 2 2013, 01:19 PM   #42
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Yarrr!

Well- here's a link to the photo I wanted to post as a spoiler but it won't work... Hence the link.

http://patrickivan.files.wordpress.c...tled.jpg?w=450

It's what popped into my head the second I saw the OP post. My photoshop skills suck though. Oh well.
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Old May 2 2013, 01:41 PM   #43
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Trek has always indulged in a casual kind of racial stereotyping with its aliens. Early on I think it was a matter of being able to afford only a few makeup and costuming cues to indicate difference from human beings. Over time, as the Franchise gave up all pretense of treating alien species as other than representing human national/ethnic differences the whole "they all look alike/dress alike/act alike" thing got really annoying.
"They laugh alike, they walk alike, at times they even talk alike. You can lose your mind. When Klingons are two of a kind."

These Klingons are the coolest yet. With all the different versions seen on all the different shows and movies, it creates a more realistic diversity in the species. It's SERENDIPITY people!
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Old May 2 2013, 02:11 PM   #44
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We've seen beardless Klingons before -- if nothing else, a lot of the Klingon extras in "Errand of Mercy" were clean-shaven.

Anyway, cultures change over time. We've never seen Klingons from the 2250s depicted onscreen before in either timeline, and this is a timeline that's now had 26 years to diverge from the Prime history. If anything, the ridiculous thing is when the previous shows depicted Klingon wardrobe and hairstyles being exactly the same in different centuries and different timelines. This is actually more plausible.
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Old May 2 2013, 04:21 PM   #45
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I agree. Of course one of the reasons we kept seeing the same costumes all the time was do to budget restrictions. The Klingon uniforms Robert Fletcher designed for TMP where refitted for different actors for decades.
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