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Old May 1 2013, 04:58 AM   #16
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Re: Paris + B'Elanna scene, absolute cop-out

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Uggghhh... I...do not want to picture Kirk and Spock that way.

Oh but I do!
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Old May 1 2013, 07:11 AM   #17
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It's true that Torres was not capable of giving consent in that state but that's not why the writers had Paris refuse.

The writers had Paris refuse because it's a TV show and thus must be held to our double standards where we pretend to be forward thinking and progressive while we're actually super-conservative and want all relationships to be 1950s-idyllic. Two people must not make love without being deeply in love and signing the appropriate liability waivers.
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Old May 1 2013, 07:13 AM   #18
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Not on NuBSG.
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Old May 1 2013, 12:52 PM   #19
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JirinPanthosa wrote: View Post
It's true that Torres was not capable of giving consent in that state but that's not why the writers had Paris refuse.

The writers had Paris refuse because it's a TV show and thus must be held to our double standards where we pretend to be forward thinking and progressive while we're actually super-conservative and want all relationships to be 1950s-idyllic. Two people must not make love without being deeply in love and signing the appropriate liability waivers.
that's bullshit. i don't give a toss about your 1950's idyll, i just don't want a character raping another one.
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Old May 1 2013, 10:21 PM   #20
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Re: Paris + B'Elanna scene, absolute cop-out

Is it bad of me to care more about Vorik than Tom and B'elanna?
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Old May 1 2013, 10:51 PM   #21
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Is it bad of me to care more about Vorik than Tom and B'elanna?

Why yes... yes it is.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhO5FfuumbM



Do you realize that B'Elanna is the "catch" on Voyager.

Vorick wanted to mate with her...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhU5AvfIKS0




Tom to date/marry her...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7-2SWpttJE



and even Seven wanted to bond with her.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p42a8...ailpage#t=104s

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Old May 1 2013, 11:18 PM   #22
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Is it bad of me to care more about Vorik than Tom and B'elanna?
I was never a fan of Vorik, and that was before I thought nepotism had something to do with the casting. But that's show business.
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Old May 2 2013, 04:23 PM   #23
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Re: Paris + B'Elanna scene, absolute cop-out

I tend to prefer the minor Vulcan characters. Solok and Vorik are awesome. Tuvok and Spock... meh.
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Old May 3 2013, 09:16 AM   #24
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Vorik.. awesome?
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Old May 3 2013, 11:02 AM   #25
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I had to look up Solok. Turns out there's two of them. One was the Ferengi in TNG: Chain of Command, played by Lou Wagner, who I remembered as Lucius from the Planet of the Apes films. He was also on the series CHiPs as the mechanic.
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Old May 3 2013, 11:15 AM   #26
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Yeah, Tom wasn't a guy to take advantage of such a situation. He always seemed someone that would have been a character Bogart would have played, he'd kill if necessary but would never do that if he couldn't, and a lady is someone you respect without reservation whatever comes.
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Old May 3 2013, 11:25 AM   #27
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"The wrong twin is good enough"????

"Dude, it's an identical gidget, so who cares who she is on the inside, just shut your eyes and pray you don't scream out the right name inside the wrong sister."

"Sigh"
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Old May 3 2013, 11:28 AM   #28
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24th century zen...
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Old May 3 2013, 11:48 AM   #29
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Didn't Paris create a pon farr masturbation holodeck program for Tuvok?

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There's this extremely annoying scene where both the characters scramble about in some underground passage, B'Elanna has been affected by Vorik's mating drive since they were partially linked, and she's practically begging Paris on her knees to have it off with her. He refuses.

What please is the reasoning for this other than a plain cop-out on part of the writers? Letting her enter a possibly-fatal combat with Vorik where either or both of them might get seriously injured in order to resolve the dilemma is fine, but not letting two people enjoy themselves?
O.k. I can understand a man of honour refusing a woman in this state if he knows that he's the last person on earth she'd ever consider when she's normal. But in this case all her disinhibition does is bring her real feelings to the surface.
So basically, here's this woman you fancy like anything, and she's forced to admit she has the same feelings for you, and she's throwing herself at you and unless you comply she might die. And you don't??
I got insanely frustrated just watching this. Have at already, the pair of you!!
Well, once you're over the frustation of being a virgin or a long time single, you realize that situations like that are not worth to be exploited.
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Old May 3 2013, 01:23 PM   #30
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It's the question of blame.

Who do you blame?

The hand that tickled Tuvok's tackle, or the mind that told the hand to tickle Tuvok's tackle?

Tuvok might have seen his wife when he threw himself at that clunge, but he was actually frakking Tom.
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