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Old April 29 2013, 12:43 AM   #16
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Re: Sulu was named for the sea

When George Takei was a guest at the Denver Star Trek convention in 1990, I asked him during his presentation what, if any, was Sulu's intended given name. He told me and about 3000 other people that GR had told him as early as 1966 that Sulu's given name was always intended to be Hikaru. Vonda McIntyre is simply the first to use it, and not actually the one who came up with it.
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Old April 29 2013, 02:09 AM   #17
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Given that it was 24 years after the fact, he may have been misremembering. Surely if Roddenberry had come up with Sulu's given name, it would've been mentioned in the series bible or The Making of Star Trek, or would've been mentioned by Roddenberry himself at some convention or other and been known about by fandom. But before McIntyre's The Entropy Effect came along, the leading theory in fandom was that Sulu's first name was Walter.

The only way this claim could be true is if Roddenberry had decided to keep Sulu's first name top-secret for some reason, yet had taken Vonda McIntyre alone into his confidence. Which makes no sense whatsoever. So I think Takei just got different parts of his past mixed up, which is something human beings do all the time.
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Old April 29 2013, 02:12 AM   #18
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Sulu's given name was always intended to be Hikaru
This seems strange on Roddenberry's part. He deliberately choose a non-specific Pan-Asian Surname, and then choose a given name that is overtly Japanese.

Perhaps Roddenberry should have made Sulu's first name "Ming." I've noticed that Ming is common to a lot of different Asian cultures and countries.

Lieutenant Ming Sulu?

Maybe?

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Old April 29 2013, 03:36 AM   #19
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Sulu's given name was always intended to be Hikaru
This seems strange on Roddenberry's part. He deliberately choose a non-specific Pan-Asian Surname, and then choose a given name that is overtly Japanese.
All the more reason for skepticism toward that claim. You're right, it makes no sense at all.
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Old April 29 2013, 03:36 PM   #20
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Re: Sulu was named for the sea

Wasn't "Walter" one of the Sulu first names that tended to pop up in early work? Kind of like "Penda" Uhura?
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Old April 29 2013, 06:13 PM   #21
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My parents are both such big Star Trek geeks that they almost named one of my sisters Penda.

I still like it better than the given name Uhura ended up with.

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Old April 29 2013, 07:38 PM   #22
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Re: Sulu was named for the sea

^ In all instances I like the canon names better than the fan ones. Hikaru sounds much better than Walter, and Nyota fits Uhura better than "Penda".

Now if only we'd find out what Lt. Kyle's real name is.
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Old May 4 2013, 05:53 AM   #23
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Penda is a much better name for Uhura when you realize that Nyota means 'Flowers' and Penda means 'Love'. Penda Uhura then means "Love of Freedom", while Nyota Uhura means "Flowers Freedom". Which do you think GR would want as a name for a character like her?
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I thought Nyota meant "star."


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Now if only we'd find out what Lt. Kyle's real name is.
John Winston Kyle.

(Whenever he's been given a first name in the novels, they've used "John". An article in "The Best of Trek" suggested "Winston".)
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Old May 4 2013, 09:07 AM   #26
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Penda is a much better name for Uhura when you realize that Nyota means 'Flowers' and Penda means 'Love'. Penda Uhura then means "Love of Freedom", while Nyota Uhura means "Flowers Freedom". Which do you think GR would want as a name for a character like her?
"Nyota" = "star".

GR and NN were sought for approval for both "Penda" (at one of the early 70s conventions) and "Nyota" (see below).

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I thought Nyota meant "star."
It does. Created with Nichelle Nichols' approval for the book, "Star Trek II Biographies" by William Rotsler.

Later explained as a crucial part of the plot in the novel "Uhura's Song" by Janet Kagan.
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Penda is a much better name for Uhura when you realize that Nyota means 'Flowers' and Penda means 'Love'. Penda Uhura then means "Love of Freedom", while Nyota Uhura means "Flowers Freedom". Which do you think GR would want as a name for a character like her?
What's Swahili for "hailing frequencies open"?
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Old May 4 2013, 06:48 PM   #28
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Wito masafa ya kufungua.

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Old May 4 2013, 07:08 PM   #29
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^I tried Google Translate and got a variety of results. It didn't translate "hailing" at all, so I tried "greeting frequencies open," "salute frequencies open," and "salute frequencies are open" and got different results each time. What did you use?
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Old May 4 2013, 08:07 PM   #30
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For some reason it only gives a translation for frequency as a single word, but not when used in a phrase or sentence.
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