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Old May 22 2013, 06:23 AM   #886
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Re: STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

^^^What TWOK reshoot?
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Old May 22 2013, 06:27 AM   #887
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Insurrection cost 70m?!?!?! Even the CGI looked crap in that movie....
Insurrection cost 30M more than FC, but it looks like complete shit next it.

Still pretty sad they had a two parter worthy episode script for the most expensive TNG film.
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Old May 22 2013, 06:30 AM   #888
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^^^What TWOK reshoot?
They reshot the Kirk David fight along with some of the Kirk/Marcus exchange before she takes him out to the cave, and they reshot the explosion when the RELIANT torp seems to hit the bridge. When I said reshoot I wasn't really thinking of those things, but rather the embellishment shoot of Golden Gate Park for the ending.
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Old May 22 2013, 06:32 AM   #889
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Insurrection cost 70m?!?!?! Even the CGI looked crap in that movie....
Insurrection cost 30M more than FC, but it looks like complete shit next it.
Same cinematographer, same production designer, same director ... only significant credit change on the tech end of things has to do with VFX vendors ... are you saying the movie looks like shit just because some of the VFX are bad? (just curious, as I don't like either of them much.)
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Old May 22 2013, 06:52 AM   #890
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While looking through the Nick Meyer papers at the University of Iowa I photocopied a June 11, 1990 memo from Ralph Winter to Teddy Zee which lists several production budget numbers of interest. (Some of this info also comes from an undated memo comparing the costs of several of the features, found in the same collection).

TWOK -- $13 million (approved budget was $11 million)
TSFS -- $16,766,830 (approved budget was $16 million)
TVH -- $22,479,687 (approved budget was $23 million)
TFF -- $32,030,271 (approved budget was $31.25 million)

I also have a production budget for TUC (dated April 12, 1990, just before photography commenced) which lists the approved budget at $29,157,511 (though it is plastered with a note indicating that figure doesn't include $1.1 million in overhead costs).
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Old May 22 2013, 07:22 AM   #891
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Insurrection cost 70m?!?!?! Even the CGI looked crap in that movie....
Insurrection cost 30M more than FC, but it looks like complete shit next it.
Same cinematographer, same production designer, same director ... only significant credit change on the tech end of things has to do with VFX vendors ... are you saying the movie looks like shit just because some of the VFX are bad? (just curious, as I don't like either of them much.)
Some of the FX looked good, but the bad guy energy ship or whatever looked so shit. I can kinda see where the money went, it was just a waste of money. Imagine the Battle of Earth we would've got if FC had that budget
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Old May 22 2013, 10:14 AM   #892
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If they want kids to see it, they need an animated series. Kids get into a light, fun animated Trek, then it's "ZOMFG THEY'RE DOING A MOVIE" and they'll spam the box office for STXIII.
Filmation's TAS is what got me into ST:TMP.

A huge missed opportunity when Wesley Crusher left the Enterprise-D for a series featuring an animated Starfleet Academy. If it hung around long enough, as many popular animated series do these days, they could have added Nog to its voice cast. Berman had already nixed an animated Wesley spin-off, postulated by Susan Sackett and TAS's "John Culver" (Fred Bronson), as "diluting the franchise".

A "Titan" animated series with Riker and Troi might have salvaged a young audience despite the failure of "Nemesis".
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Old May 22 2013, 11:11 AM   #893
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Star Wars, wisely, kept new product in the public eye during the ten year gap between Revenge of the Sith, and Episode VII. In the form of the Clone Wars cartoon.

Star Trek needs to do the same. Another intelligently written TAS (the animation may not have been great in the Filmation series, but the stories were actually quite good. I proudly have TAS in my Trek DVD collection alongside the other tv series and movies) to get the kids interested in the franchise. Hire the new movie cast to do the voices.
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Old May 22 2013, 11:15 AM   #894
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Clone Wars is fantastic, if we got animated Star Trek of that caliber of writing and visuals it would be very cool.
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Old May 22 2013, 11:19 AM   #895
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Clone Wars is fantastic, if we got animated Star Trek of that caliber of writing and visuals it would be very cool.
True, though I hope we will get some clarity on the series being cannon or not... As much as I love TAS, I hate the whole 'cannon-not cannon' discussion (started by GR I guess).
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Old May 22 2013, 11:24 AM   #896
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Is the series actually a fact? As in they are going to make it for sure?

And I totally agree about the canon. I know many don't care one way or another nowadays but I still do. TELL US. I'm fine with it all being AU though.
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Old May 22 2013, 11:26 AM   #897
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TWOK was $13m?

Bargain.

INS definitely not.
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Old May 22 2013, 11:36 AM   #898
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Clone Wars is fantastic, if we got animated Star Trek of that caliber of writing and visuals it would be very cool.
True, though I hope we will get some clarity on the series being cannon or not... As much as I love TAS, I hate the whole 'cannon-not cannon' discussion (started by GR I guess).
I have TAS right there on my shelf next to TOS, TNG, et al. It was produced, filmed, and aired. It's onscreen. It's canon, as far as I'm concerned.

A lot of the episodes were written by TOS veterans. I don't know when Roddenberry decided to turn his back on it.
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Old May 22 2013, 11:42 AM   #899
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Clone Wars is fantastic, if we got animated Star Trek of that caliber of writing and visuals it would be very cool.
True, though I hope we will get some clarity on the series being cannon or not... As much as I love TAS, I hate the whole 'cannon-not cannon' discussion (started by GR I guess).
I have TAS right there on my shelf next to TOS, TNG, et al. It was produced, filmed, and aired. It's onscreen. It's canon, as far as I'm concerned.

A lot of the episodes were written by TOS veterans. I don't know when Roddenberry decided to turn his back on it.
GR turned his back on STV as well, but that film is considered to be canon, so I've always wondered why the same can't be done regarding TAS.
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GR turned his back on STV as well, but that film is considered to be canon, so I've always wondered why the same can't be done regarding TAS.
I know! And then these lovelies could so totally be real and JJ might even use them in the next film!

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