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Old May 18 2013, 05:38 PM   #316
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Re: STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

Deadline.com says $62 3-day / $75 4-day
boxoffice.com says $68 / $81.5
Hollywood reporter says $69.5 / $83

WTF?! Which one?
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Old May 18 2013, 05:39 PM   #317
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It doesn't really matter who is at fault at this point, because Star Trek may be dead as a franchise.
What an utterly ridiculous thing to say! There will be Trek3 in time for Star Trek's 50th anniversary in 2016, and it is sure to be epic!
This thread makes no sense to me because when all is said and done STID is going to turn a nice profit.
Star Trek is alive and well.

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Old May 18 2013, 05:39 PM   #318
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Re: STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

Box Office Mojo has $22 million as the Friday estimate.
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Old May 18 2013, 05:39 PM   #319
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It is a bad start, there is no way to spin these numbers positive. I seriously believe that $200m is in doubt at the moment because of the competition for the rest of May. Paramount picked the wrong date. Heads need to roll at Paramount. Lets hope for big big overseas numbers ASAP.

Who needs spin? We didnt need spin for ST09, and this will likely do a slightly better opening. Considering they screwed with the dates and its been 4 years since the last one, it looks to be doing pretty well. It's already done Close to $95 million worldwide up until Friday. That's way out ahead of what ST09 did.

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Overseas numbers are great so far, I am referring to the weak US & Canada opening only.
Again, you can't say a slightly better opening than ST09 is weak, this is the movie series that had $20-30 million dollar openings.
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Old May 18 2013, 05:43 PM   #320
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Again, you can't say a slightly better opening than ST09 is weak, this is the movie series that had $20-30 million dollar openings.
The box office environment has changed dramatically since the days of those $20-30 million openings, as have budget levels in general and the budget levels of Trek films specifically. And it's possible that STiD will have a slightly lower 4-day opening than Star Trek (which did $79.2 million from Thursday night through Sunday when it opened).
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It's all relative though, RAMA. Everything has gone up and everything has to go up to compensate.
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Old May 18 2013, 05:44 PM   #322
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It is a bad start, there is no way to spin these numbers positive. I seriously believe that $200m is in doubt at the moment because of the competition for the rest of May. Paramount picked the wrong date. Heads need to roll at Paramount. Lets hope for big big overseas numbers ASAP.

Who needs spin? We didnt need spin for ST09, and this will likely do a slightly better opening. Considering they screwed with the dates and its been 4 years since the last one, it looks to be doing pretty well. It's already done Close to $95 million worldwide up until Friday. That's way out ahead of what ST09 did.

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Overseas numbers are great so far, I am referring to the weak US & Canada opening only.
So according to Hollywood Reporter, by Monday STID should have made $158 million worldwide.

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Old May 18 2013, 05:45 PM   #323
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Who needs spin? We didnt need spin for ST09, and this will likely do a slightly better opening. Considering they screwed with the dates and its been 4 years since the last one, it looks to be doing pretty well. It's already done Close to $95 million worldwide up until Friday. That's way out ahead of what ST09 did.

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Overseas numbers are great so far, I am referring to the weak US & Canada opening only.
Again, you can't say a slightly better opening than ST09 is weak, this is the movie series that had $20-30 million dollar openings.
It is weak. Star Trek Into Darkness may open with less money from 4 days than Star Trek 2009 made in 3 days 4 years ago, without 3D. Its disappointing and everyone who follows the boxoffice at the box office websites would agree. They all predicted over $100m for 3-days just a few weeks ago and some were still predicting that the week of release. STID has under performed big time.
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Old May 18 2013, 05:59 PM   #324
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It doesn't really matter who is at fault at this point, because Star Trek may be dead as a franchise.
Well I think that's a little extreme. The reality is this film will do similar numbers to STXI domestically, but the international numbers will be much better. So, at the end of the day STID will do as well, if not slightly better than the last film, and with the upcoming anniversary there's no way Paramount won't greenlight another film from Bad Robot.

However, Paramount needs to assess what exactly they are trying to accomplish with Star Trek. Are they trying to compete with big boxoffice summer extravaganzas like Star Wars, Transformers, The Dark Knight? If they are they are going to lose unless they are willing to accept that their profit vs. cost ratios are not going to be as high as those other franchises. Star Trek, for whatever reason, just does not have quite that general mass appeal as these other film series.

One thing to bear in mind though is despite the costs of Abrams two Star Trek features JJ can be a very frugal filmmaker, Super 8 only cost $50. So I think JJ can still make a huge Trek film, but with a budget more like $150-170 million. If that can be done Paramount can justify continuing to make Star Trek films which gross $350-450 in total box office. Otherwise they will need to completely retool and seriously reign in the cost and be content with box office takes more in line with the original Trek films.


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Old May 18 2013, 06:04 PM   #325
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Most likely wont make same as STXI domestically with this opening, more like $175-$200m vs $275m for STXI adjusted for inflation.
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Old May 18 2013, 06:04 PM   #326
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If STiD grosses around $400 million worldwide Paramount will likely greenlight a third Bad Robot Trek film, but look to bring the budget back down to about $150 million. A much cheaper director would be part of lowering the cost, as would forgoing filming in IMAX.
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Old May 18 2013, 06:21 PM   #327
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It looks as if it will have a marginally better weekend (Thur-Sun) than ST09. To this point, it's $5 million ahead of ST09. Initial reactions to the movie are strong according to CinemaScore (it gets an "A"). It's holding above 85% at rotten tomatoes. I think once the buzz gets going that this isn't just a ripoff of TWOK, things will be fine. Fans themselves posting stuff on boards about "magic blood" (it's not) and plagiarizng lines form TWOK (it really doesn't) may be the worst enemies of this film.
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Old May 18 2013, 06:26 PM   #328
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Have my tickets for the 7:00pm show for IMAX-3D tonight.
But the numbers don't seem good at all. It feels like Superman Returns all over again. Really want this film to succeed, but don't know if it can. Seriously, Iron Man does 1 BILLION in under two weeks all over and ST:ID can't even muster a 100 million weekend? That too being a sequel? Paramount and J.J. Abrams secrecy really screwed this one up.
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Old May 18 2013, 06:26 PM   #329
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If STiD grosses around $400 million worldwide Paramount will likely greenlight a third Bad Robot Trek film, but look to bring the budget back down to about $150 million. A much cheaper director would be part of lowering the cost, as would forgoing filming in IMAX.
As expected 3D has given no bump because 3D is on the wain. The budget increase in part came from the conversion to 3D so paramount can save money on that next time. A budget of $165 ($20 million cheaper than STID) might be a more realistic way to go with ST in 2016. Bear in mind whatever STID takes at the Box Office, which is looking between $400-450 million based off this start, it will make A LOT of money for paramount via DVD/Blu Ray sales + other merchandise.
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This box office talk, to be honest, has me a bit down. But I'm going to wait until Monday before casting a final judgement.
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