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Old May 18 2013, 05:50 AM   #256
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Re: STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

I have very broad taste in science fiction and fantasy. Space opera, hard SF, epic fantasy, superheroes, etc, all have great appeal to me.

The box office news and rumors are quite the rollercoaster for this one!
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Old May 18 2013, 06:57 AM   #257
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I have very broad taste in science fiction and fantasy. Space opera, hard SF, epic fantasy, superheroes, etc, all have great appeal to me.

The box office news and rumors are quite the rollercoaster for this one!
I have broad tastes too. I'm not trying to imply that Star Trek is better than the average comic book movie, or say it's about "ideas" like the Trek vs Wars fan-fights of yore.

I don't go to the theater to watch movies much anymore (I've only been twice in 4 years) so I didn't see The Avengers until a few weeks ago. My friend told me "You have to see it! It's one of the best movies ever. Seriously!" So I saw it and I was completely dumbfounded how something so thoroughly plain would inspire such devotion and earn so much money. And I say this as a Joss Whedon fan and a card-carrying geek of several franchises. I could only conclude that these days, people enjoy movies with heroes, big 'splosions, a witty/sardonic central character and lame fan jokes (well, the Shakespeare in the Park bit made me laugh).

Except....doesn't Star Trek also have heroes, big 'splosions, a witty and sardonic character and lame fan jokes? I know that's a simplification in an attempt to draw a parallel but nuTrek has been made highly accessible to the masses in my opinion, with a healthy dose of fast-paced action and wit, and the new movies are unquestionably big "event" pictures, yet Star Trek still has a stigma that makes masses of people who gobbled up stuff like the Avengers and Iron Man want to stay away?

I truly do not get it.
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Old May 18 2013, 07:06 AM   #258
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While I admit to enjoying Iron Man (haven't seen #3 yet), I recently saw the Avengers and I couldn't believe that movie actually became one of the biggest ever. It was thoroughly plain in every way. I can't understand how it made such huge numbers, I really can't.

However, Star Trek still has a stigma attached to it. No matter how you dress it up and make it slick and fast and shiny and cool, the masses will just think it's Star Trek. It's a shame, but you can't do anything about it. I guess "superheroes" in tights talking into invisible bluetooths fighting giant space centipedes is better than people on spaceships in tights fighting a terrorist who blows up London.
I don't understand the popularity of comic book superhero movies myself. At least, I don't get why grown adults like them.

People can take grown men flying around in spandex jumpsuits seriously, but not men on the bridge of a starship?
Star Trek spent fifteen years dicking around with "Inverted tachyon pulses" or "metaphasic radiation" or "quantum dimensional paradox events" as if these were real things that were either interesting or memorable. The latter years of the franchise were nothing if not pretentious, and that's a hard reputation to shake.

It's important to keep in mind that Star Trek's pretense of being scientifically grounded was little more than fanservice for what Paramount assumed to be Star Trek's target audience: to wit, bored science nerds who liked to imagine that they were smarter than they really were. The studio both under-estimated the intelligence of that target audience and over-estimated its size; fans were smart enough to realize they were being patronized and eventually stopped watching and new productions appealed to very few new fans.

The Abrams experiment wasn't a rebellion against the "smart" side of Star Trek, more of a recognition that Star Trek was never all that smart to begin with and that "smart" was never its main selling point. It's one thing to have a totally contrived plot device that only exists in the first place so the protagonist will have something to do, but in this case it's literally a difference between "Complicated science thing that requires complicated science solution" and "Complicated situation that requires stupefyingly dangerous stunt." Voyager in particular would have enjoyed much better critical acclaim with more spacewalks/skydives/cliffhangrs and a little less [tech].

And yet, in the ways that really matter, STID still manages to be pretty smart on top of it.
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Old May 18 2013, 07:16 AM   #259
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Well said, you just have to look at the ratings of the television show to see its not just the general public turned off by it but Trek fans too, there is only so much you can do in a certain format before you run out of ideas.

I feel like the franchise has constantly been mishandled over the years and with Bad Robot, I think it's in the hands of people who can actually do something with it.
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Old May 18 2013, 09:42 AM   #260
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Think I'm just going to give up on working out STid, looks like BOG earlier est he got 21-23m is more on the cards, strange but still it happens, I can't see anything drastically happening to increase it
Stid 21-23, IM3 9.2, TGG 7.4
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Old May 18 2013, 09:56 AM   #261
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It really has been a rollercoaster ride. I don't think I know what the heck is going on anymore!
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Old May 18 2013, 10:24 AM   #262
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I really hate to say this, but I'm going to revise my prediction down to $425m or less for this movie. Seemingly, Trek does have a ceiling with the masses, and the often cited "stigma" is just too difficult to erase.
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Re: STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

All I can recommend is that everyone relax. It's like trying to lose weight and jumping on the scale every hour. Fluctuations will happen, and it's best to wait a few days before making projections. Hell, even on Monday, the movie will still be in it's opening jump. Who knows, it might be slow to pick up but takes off once it gets rolling? I've seen it before.
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Old May 18 2013, 10:29 AM   #264
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Relax and promote it out the wazoo. Also, see it again!
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Old May 18 2013, 10:31 AM   #265
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I hope Paramount will now advertise the HELL out of you know what in all the commercials all this weekend! They should have been upfront about it from the start.
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Old May 18 2013, 10:33 AM   #266
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That's an interesting point. Does anyone else think revealing it from the start might have generated more sentimental interest among the non-trek masses?
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Old May 18 2013, 10:37 AM   #267
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That's an interesting point. Does anyone else think revealing it from the start might have generated more sentimental interest among the non-trek masses?
If they had milked the hell out of the
thing in all the trailers, I think it might have added another 10 million to the first weekend.
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Old May 18 2013, 10:38 AM   #268
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It's a horrible feeling, but I think there may be some truth in that.
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Old May 18 2013, 10:48 AM   #269
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That's an interesting point. Does anyone else think revealing it from the start might have generated more sentimental interest among the non-trek masses?
No, not in the least. The trailers were excellent, the movie is stuffed full of excitement, action and characterisation - and it still isn't enough. Like it or not, the superhero reigns supreme at the BO currently, no matter how middling a movie may be. Personally, I thought IM3 was VERY average, and yet, it's sailed past a billion dollars on the crest of a good, but nevertheless, way overrated team-up flick. Ah well...
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Old May 18 2013, 11:34 AM   #270
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Let's at least wait until today's numbers are in before totally pre-failing this thing.

*hopeful*
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