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Old June 27 2013, 03:17 AM   #2476
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Because he fights vampires for a living and was created in a horror comic to fight Dracula, not Doctor Doom or Magneto. He's a horror character. Just as Swamp Thing is a horror character not a superhero.
Horror characters can become superheroes in the comics thanks to the shared universe. If Blade is rubbing shoulders with superheroes, joining superhero teams and sometimes fighting regular supervillains then he becomes a superhero. But the New Line Blade movies weren't part of a shared universe. They were just horror action movies. What Marvel does with Blade now that they've got the rights back remains to be seen.
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Old June 27 2013, 03:19 AM   #2477
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So, the comic stories in which they appear are horror stories? Do they tend more toward gothic, Stephen King, or slasher type stories?

X-Men and Spider-Man launched the current cycle of big-budget blockbuster super-hero movies by doing two things differently: they both took the material entirely seriously, and Spider-Man embraced the visual iconography and story material of the comic book pretty unreservedly.
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Old June 27 2013, 03:41 AM   #2478
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http://www.wired.com/entertainment/h...urrentPage=all

Wired News: You must be in countdown mode. What was your main goal when you took over Marvel 10 years ago?

Avi Arad: We've been doing amazing(ly well) for a long time with the comics, with X-Men and Spider-Man and the others. I had loads of confidence in the company, but felt the only way to take it where it deserves and belongs is to make movies -- big, live-action movies. The first one was a smaller movie, but an important one to us, and that was Blade.

WN: Everyone was shocked at its box office numbers.

Arad: Exactly. Everyone said (the first Blade film was) unlikely to succeed, it was a comic book movie, it was R-rated, but it was great. Shocks are good.
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Old June 27 2013, 03:47 AM   #2479
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Yeah, as I said earlier, Blade was an important movie for Marvel, but it wasn't perceived by most moviegoers as a superhero movie. X-Men and Spider-Man were the movies that got moviegoers engaged with superhero movies again and that led to a broadening of the superhero genre on screen.
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Old June 27 2013, 04:03 AM   #2480
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Because he fights vampires for a living and was created in a horror comic to fight Dracula, not Doctor Doom or Magneto. He's a horror character. Just as Swamp Thing is a horror character not a superhero.
Horror characters can become superheroes in the comics thanks to the shared universe. If Blade is rubbing shoulders with superheroes, joining superhero teams and sometimes fighting regular supervillains then he becomes a superhero. But the New Line Blade movies weren't part of a shared universe. They were just horror action movies. What Marvel does with Blade now that they've got the rights back remains to be seen.
True, but I'm referring to what he was created to be and as you pointed out, how he was presented in the film. The filmmakers didn't buy a superhero property.
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Old June 27 2013, 05:26 AM   #2481
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I'm worried about Paramount's promotion here in venezuela. We are 3 weeks away from the Film and I haven't seen the first POSTER.
I'm just noticing something on Paramount's GLOBAL SITES & RELEASE DATES page. With the exception of Brazil, all the Latin American countries listed link to the same page: the one for Mexico (also to the 'StarTrek.MX' Facebook page) and half of those listed opened in May. Could they have spent the whole promo budget on those early openings?
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Old June 27 2013, 11:16 AM   #2482
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I did address your argument.
No you didn't. I've already explained it to you twice. You ignored the movies that killed the two franchises and led to reboots several years later, and only became successful once Marvel launched their own brand with Blade and X-men. Not my problem if you don't understand what I'm saying.
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Old June 27 2013, 02:59 PM   #2483
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I did address your argument.
No you didn't. I've already explained it to you twice. You ignored the movies that killed the two franchises and led to reboots several years later, and only became successful once Marvel launched their own brand with Blade and X-men. Not my problem if you don't understand what I'm saying.

right, which is what I wrote. You focused on two movies out of eight, both of which came at the tail end of two hugely successfull franchises, just to cherry pick data to support your argument while dismissing all of the other successfull movies. I understand exactly what you're arguing, it's just silly. "Well if you dismiss the hugely successfull parts of the series, you'll see that they weren't actually very successfull at all."


And I really don't think that the success of the Nolan films was a result of "Blade," "X-Men," or "Spider-Man."
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Blade was exciting when it came out and I think it demonstrated how to present comic book material onscreen and make it palatable and sucessful to a wide audience.
"Batman" did that in 1989.
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Old June 27 2013, 04:24 PM   #2485
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Blade was exciting when it came out and I think it demonstrated how to present comic book material onscreen and make it palatable and sucessful to a wide audience.
"Batman" did that in 1989.

shhhh, we have to pretend that the Superman and Batman series didn't happen.
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Old June 27 2013, 05:24 PM   #2486
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Blade was exciting when it came out and I think it demonstrated how to present comic book material onscreen and make it palatable and sucessful to a wide audience.
"Batman" did that in 1989.
As did Superman in 1978. I think, though, that X-Men and Spider-Man were made in styles that were easier to apply as templates to other comic book movies than Donner's Superman or Burton's Batman, although the first half of Donner's Superman was influential on both Singer and Raimi in putting their respective Marvel superhero films together.
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Old June 27 2013, 05:33 PM   #2487
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Blade was exciting when it came out and I think it demonstrated how to present comic book material onscreen and make it palatable and sucessful to a wide audience.
"Batman" did that in 1989.
And so did Superman in 1978. However, most modern comic book movies today aren't like Superman nor Batman, especially the later entries. It's my opinion but I think the current wave of movies has been so successful because they put an emphasis on a solid Hollywood presentation, overcoming stigma over the comic book source. I think it's why JJ Trek has been successful as well.

EDIT: Was writing this as Out Of My Vulcan Mind posted but looks like we were thinking on the same wavelength (scarily so on the first line).
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Old June 27 2013, 06:14 PM   #2488
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So, does the movie finally make 450 before it's pulled and sent to Blu-Ray or not? I don't quite think it's got the legs, but stranger things have happened. There's that burning hot Pakistani market to consider.
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Old June 27 2013, 06:15 PM   #2489
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BTW, IF Paramount HAD cast a Bollywood leader as Khan we'd be tearing up the Subcontinent right now.

Don't get me wrong, I love Cumberbatch, but there's an opportunity cost in the Asian market that was missed.
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So, does the movie finally make 450 before it's pulled and sent to Blu-Ray or not? I don't quite think it's got the legs, but stranger things have happened. There's that burning hot Pakistani market to consider.
I'm feeling it may just scrape the $450.
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