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Old June 10 2013, 08:51 AM   #1891
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Re: STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

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The only thing I can say to that is that anyone who claims to have been a fan of TOS and says that J.J. "Michael Bay" Abrams' films "feel like TOS" are lying, and they either have not seen TOS or they have not seen Abrams' films (or they have not seen either).
I've never seen a Michael Bay film, but I came out of ST:TMP in 1979, and Bad Robot's ST 2009 and STiD, with the same feeling of having been totally immersed in Star Trek. Even ST II and ST IV didn't quite do it for me. Maybe "First Contact" almost managed it.

And when I caught up on TOS episodes throughout 1980 (most on the big screen at Marathon events in Sydney), I found plenty of episodes that gave me similar satisfaction.

Bad Robot's films captured everything I loved about TMP and the best of TOS.

Robert_T_April wrote: View Post
The Undiscovered Country was pretty close to being perfect IMHO.
Really? With Kirk suddenly hating Klingons with an intensity we never saw in STs III, IV nor V? With Chekov seemingly not knowing that a hand phaser sets off ship alarms? With Uhura not knowing any Klingon sentences? With McCoy not knowing anything about Klingon anatomy? With Kirk and McCoy being imprisoned in their Starfleet uniforms, complete with tracking device?

Nah, not perfect to me.
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Old June 10 2013, 09:54 AM   #1892
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TUC may not be perfect but it was perfectly wonderful.
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Old June 10 2013, 10:20 AM   #1893
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The Undiscovered Country was pretty close to being perfect IMHO.
I disagree. It has a ton of potential but there's quite a few things wrong with it.

First, it should've been Saavik. Second, the conspiracy is a bit too wide and complex. Why include the Romulan ambassador, for instance ? Why is the warden on Rura Penthe part of the conspiracy, since Chang thought Kirk would be executed ? Why is the Romulan ambassador at the secret meeting with the plan to rescue Kirk ? Etc.

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The only thing I can say to that is that anyone who claims to have been a fan of TOS and says that J.J. "Michael Bay" Abrams' films "feel like TOS" are lying, and they either have not seen TOS or they have not seen Abrams' films (or they have not seen either).
Wow, so I and others in this thread are liars, now ? Your personal opinion of this movie is supreme ? No one can possibly hold a different one ?

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The only Trek film worse was Nemesis.
Worse than Nemesis?
Really, read slower. He said Nemesis was worse.
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Old June 10 2013, 10:28 AM   #1894
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Re: STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

All this bullshit happened with the 2009 movie too.

"You're making it up! You're not real TOS fans!"

Everyone immediately coughs up their TOS credentials. Years, money spent, times watched, love felt..

Accuser ignores it all.

I bet you credits to navy beans this will all happen with Star Trek XIII too. There is NO film that could ever be made that would make some people happy.
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Old June 10 2013, 10:35 AM   #1895
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JJ Abrams is on record saying that he felt that Star Trek was too philosophical for him. He has created a couple of films that adheres closer to what he is comfortable with.
I keep wondering what happened to "Jeffrey Abrams" who wrote "Regarding Henry" and "Forever Young". With the name change came also a change in filmmaking style.
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Old June 10 2013, 11:26 AM   #1896
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After seeing the latest figures, I think STID will finish around $470-500m WW.
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Old June 10 2013, 02:18 PM   #1897
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The only Trek film worse was Nemesis.
Worse than Nemesis?
Really, read slower. He said Nemesis was worse.
To be fair, once you get down to that level...what is and what is not worse is irrelevant.
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Old June 10 2013, 02:34 PM   #1898
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JJ Abrams is on record saying that he felt that Star Trek was too philosophical for him. He has created a couple of films that adheres closer to what he is comfortable with.
I keep wondering what happened to "Jeffrey Abrams" who wrote "Regarding Henry" and "Forever Young". With the name change came also a change in filmmaking style.
If I remember correctly, Abrams is also on record saying it was his favourite show nonetheless.
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Old June 10 2013, 04:19 PM   #1899
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The only thing I can say to that is that anyone who claims to have been a fan of TOS and says that J.J. "Michael Bay" Abrams' films "feel like TOS" are lying, and they either have not seen TOS or they have not seen Abrams' films (or they have not seen either).
I've been a Trek fan since 1966.
I've seen every TOS episode many, many times.
I've seen Abrams's Trek films multiple times.
STID in particular captures a good deal about TOS that previous TOS-based movies never did.
I'm not lying.

Therefore, your statement is flat-out 100% wrong. That's not an opinion. It's a fact.
Your opinion is incorrect in thinking Hugh Mann's observation is "100% wrong" based only on your opinion--which completely ignores the reality that there are other TOS fans (40+ years and running) who just might fit his assessment.
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Old June 10 2013, 04:26 PM   #1900
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Hugh Mann said "everyone" which was 100% wrong if even one person within his criteria felt differently.
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Old June 10 2013, 04:27 PM   #1901
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Your opinion is incorrect in thinking Hugh Mann's observation is "100% wrong"
No.

You need to read what he said more carefully.
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Old June 10 2013, 05:05 PM   #1902
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The only Trek film worse was Nemesis.
Worse than Nemesis?
Really, read slower. He said Nemesis was worse.
Ladies and gentlemen, I've seen to Leonard Part 6, Showgirls, and Battlefield Earth, and I can say without hyperbole that this is a million times worse than all of them put together.

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Old June 10 2013, 05:11 PM   #1903
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What's worse ? Nemesis ?
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Old June 10 2013, 05:13 PM   #1904
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If you adjust all the older TNG & TOS movies for inflation, this is where STID stands domestically right now:

The Motion Picture...............260M
Star Trek 2009....................257M (140M Budget)
The Voyage Home................235M
The Wrath Of Khan..............216M
Into Darkness...................200M (190M Budget)
The Search For Spock..........180M
First Contact......................166M
Generations........................142M
The Undiscovered Country....141M
Insurrection.......................118M
The Final Frontier................104M
Nemesis.............................59M


Factoring in world wide numbers, and the film's budget, it doesn't look like STID is going to be any more profitable than ST2009 (maybe slightly less).

I think that's a bit of a disappointment for Paramount.

Hopefully they'll cut the budget for the next film which will force the writers to focus more on story and less on FX/action. Sometimes limitations are the best thing for creativity.
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Old June 10 2013, 05:16 PM   #1905
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What's worse ? Nemesis ?
It was more of an opportunity to pull out one of my favorite Simpson's quotes than a true commentary on the relative quality of any particular movie. I'm just making fun of the occasional extremism shown on this board.
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