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Old August 1 2013, 04:03 PM   #556
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That in my book easily makes up for some messed up lighting passes and stuff like that.
To a degree I can forgive minor issues, but the HTV level of bad was just too much to forgive. Modern Video seems to have done a somewhat better job than HTV, good enough that I'll buy this one, but I am quite relieved that CBS-D is handling the last 3 Seasons themselves. There are some shots in Season 4 that really look like they would have shone given CBS-D's in house talent.
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Old August 2 2013, 12:25 AM   #557
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I watched part one of the two part documentary feature last night and is it me or was that a feature that could have gone on the DVD set. They didn't even talk to Jeri Taylor, and while I understand they couldn't get her in time, she was missed. It seems like the last two sets have focused a lot on the writing and the trials and tribulations that went into creating the series, but it feels like the documentaries are losing something from Season 1 and 2 to Season 3 and 4. Also, and I haven't seen part 2 yet, there was no Patrick Stewart in this one, yet Part 2 of Best of Both Worlds hinged on if he would return or not. Hopefully that gets some conversation in part 2.

I can't help but notice though that these documentaries might have been dropping off. Maybe it's just par for the course considering it's season 4 and the series was firing on all cylinders, but one of the things that made the first two interesting was it included old footage of news and what the "outside" world was saying. We got glimpses of ET, or just news in general. It was like reliving what fandom was like when these seasons were produced. Hopefully in Season 5 we might return to that considering that was the year Gene Roddenberry died but I kind of just want them to go "outside" of the writers room.

Also, I like Braga, and I know many people don't but he is hard on himself. He couldn't help being the guy in charge when Enterprise was cancelled. I wish the blame would shift from Berman and Braga to UPN. Hell, UPN is no more now. They ended up failing at a network.
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Old August 2 2013, 03:31 AM   #558
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I watched part one of the two part documentary feature last night and is it me or was that a feature that could have gone on the DVD set. They didn't even talk to Jeri Taylor, and while I understand they couldn't get her in time, she was missed.
Agreed.

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Patrick Stewart in this one, yet Part 2 of Best of Both Worlds hinged on if he would return or not. Hopefully that gets some conversation in part 2.
Nope, that was covered in the BOBW single-disc doc. I think RMB and RL,Jr. are being told not to overlap for sales purposes.

Part 1 of the S4 doc has the production side, Part 2 is the actors. So you'll see him when you watch the next part.


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I can't help but notice though that these documentaries might have been dropping off. Maybe it's just par for the course considering it's season 4 and the series was firing on all cylinders, but one of the things that made the first two interesting was it included old footage of news and what the "outside" world was saying. We got glimpses of ET, or just news in general. It was like reliving what fandom was like when these seasons were produced. Hopefully in Season 5 we might return to that considering that was the year Gene Roddenberry died but I kind of just want them to go "outside" of the writers room.
That's my take on the lackluster docs too.

I have a feeling they're saving up for Season 5, which was released in the middle of the big 25th anniversary celebrations.


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Also, I like Braga, and I know many people don't but he is hard on himself. He couldn't help being the guy in charge when Enterprise was cancelled. I wish the blame would shift from Berman and Braga to UPN. Hell, UPN is no more now. They ended up failing at a network.
Agreed there too. Especially when you hear that UPN wanted a band of the week to feature on Enterprise, that's how out of touch they were with what Trek was.
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Old August 2 2013, 05:47 AM   #559
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I watched part 2 tonight and, again, this is a documentary that could have gone on the DVD set. There was some good nuggets here, like Spiner talking about Brothers, Wheaton's awesome analogy with the Kings and his relationship with Stewart (And I'm a hockey fan too, but I root for the Sharks), and Frake's story about how Westmore told him a story and didn't finish the make up. The thing is though it's still too internal for my tastes. One of the things I liked about the BOBW Doc was they talked to the actress who played Shelby and that was the first time I got to really see an interview with her and it was awesome. Why couldn't they get people like Bebe Neuerth, or even Whoopi Goldberg. I was also just going to suggest getting Jean Simmons until I looked up that she had passed away 3 years ago (RIP).

Maybe the first two seasons spoiled me too much. I really want them to go out of the box with these, to tell the story of TNG not only from the production and actors perspective but from the fans as well. That's what the first two seasons provided and why I liked them so much.

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Agreed about the fifth season. If they don't go big on the Season 5 documentary between Gene's death and the 25th anniversary of Star Trek, I will be really disappointed. They can still talk about the writing and the acting. Just provided a part 3, and make it a 90 minute documentary like the first season was. Let's get back to telling the Story of TNG on the same level as the first two seasons worth of Docs. That's what I thought would happen throughout the entire re-release.
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Old August 2 2013, 06:04 PM   #560
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I watched "Family" yesterday. And while the remastered FX on this project are what most people seem notice (and rightfully so), for me it's really location heavy episodes like this that show off how worthwhile this whole project is. The whole winyard scenery just looks beautiful now. On TV and DVD all of that looked always really murky and washed out. I'm really happy CBS took on this project and made it possible to see the often times impressive cinematography and great set design on this show come alive for the first time in 25 years! That in my book easily makes up for some messed up lighting passes and stuff like that.

I agree, Family looks great. The whole series looks great for the first time. The costumes, sets, cinematography come alive like they never did before.


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Old August 2 2013, 06:12 PM   #561
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Well I finally got my shipping notice from Amazon. I probably won't see it until next week.
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Old August 2 2013, 06:15 PM   #562
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I really liked BoBw and Family. It humanized Picard. Up to this point in the show, I really didn't like the character all that much.


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Old August 2 2013, 06:27 PM   #563
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Watching Brothers, with the commentary. I don't mind the "blurry" Enterprise shot the ship is at warp, wasn't that the intent of the shot in the SD version to be a little blurry at warp speed?


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Old August 2 2013, 09:14 PM   #564
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Watching Brothers, with the commentary. I don't mind the "blurry" Enterprise shot the ship is at warp, wasn't that the intent of the shot in the SD version to be a little blurry at warp speed?


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That particular shot isn't the one that was originally used and later on in the season it is substituted with a CG replacement.

The external effects work is a bit uneven in the first few episodes (Turkana IV lacks an atmosphere for example) but I've just finished Disc 5 and they definitely improve as the season progresses.
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Old August 2 2013, 10:07 PM   #565
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for me it's really location heavy episodes like this that show off how worthwhile this whole project is. The whole winyard scenery just looks beautiful now. On TV and DVD all of that looked always really murky and washed out. I'm really happy CBS took on this project and made it possible to see the often times impressive cinematography and great set design on this show come alive for the first time in 25 years! That in my book easily makes up for some messed up lighting passes and stuff like that.

Final Mission, the desert scenes look AMAZING.

Interesting...that shot with picard back to the camera just after he emerges from the front of the shuttle, you can see 24 frame flicker in the lens flare.
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Old August 3 2013, 06:53 AM   #566
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I checked the SD version of Redemption and the opening Enterprise shot is blurry, due to the poor resolution, but if you freeze it looks like the same sort of composite issue, the blu-ray and increased resolution just clarify the same problem when they did the recomposite

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Old August 3 2013, 10:25 AM   #567
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Family has always been a personal favourite, and an underrated episode in its own right, largely due in part at least to the superb location shooting. Have to say, on BD, it looks simply gorgeous. I can understand why they more often than not used matte shots and/or soundstages in lieu of location shooting, but the rare instance where you get outdoor filming like this, elevates the episode IMO.
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Old August 3 2013, 11:34 AM   #568
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Watched Brothers last night - there's a really off blue-screen-effects shot where Brent Spiner (as Soong) walks up to Data and tests his eyesight moving a stick left to right. The blue screen behind Soong is really obvious (they don't seem to have corrected for it as they did in the original transmission), and somehow the eye contact Data makes with Soong and his pointy instrument seems more off than it did in the original transmission. Thus far the effects have been pretty good so it just seems to be the blue screen stuff here that wasn't quite as carefully handled.

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Old August 3 2013, 02:21 PM   #569
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Being sick for a week (and having picked this up on the 23rd of July, by living in Australia), I had the chance to get stuck into this season, and overall I'm pretty happy with the visuals, much better than HTV (if not quite up to the brilliant CBS-D standards). The only really jarring visual issue I picked up was in Identity Crisis and The Mind's Eye. In both episodes, there are dark scenes where actors are (supposed to be) heavily obscured, but with the remastering, you can clearly see the slightly immersion-breaking make-up in Identity Crisis and the Romulan body double that is clearly NOT Sela, even though we hear her voice, in The Mind's Eye. It's not a big deal, it's kind of like picking on them for making the picture too clear and high quality! I suppose bringing old shows into HD and crisp clarity does tend to bring out flaws that you never noticed before, but it does break the immersion a bit in those scenes.

Quite happy with Modern's job on this season overall though. Now, on to the special features, which I'm not quite as excited for as previous seasons, but they should still be interesting.
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Old August 3 2013, 03:55 PM   #570
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I watched both parts of the documentary. I still found them interesting, if not as riveting as other seasons. At this point, they just have fun stories and mostly good memories to share. Wil Wheaton's bit about being treated poorly was ingriguing. I wanted more of that! The writers interviews about spec scripts seemed to cover ground we'd already been over, but I liked hearing from Lolita Fatjo (mostly because her last name is just awesome). I'd say it was a good effort on the docs, but not as satisfying as others and hopefully season 5 will be.
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