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Old May 1 2013, 01:44 AM   #136
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I wonder what caused them to change tact - To ensure continuity between HTV & CBS over a season cliffhanger? If I'm correct, expect to see Times Arrow and Descent in your theatre's rather than Unification and Chain of Command.
I think they are choosing based on appeal to general audiences. People would not buy a full seasons. So subjects which are popular, The Borg and the Klingons. You can tell by the cover art. Its similar to the themed Fan Collective sets.

So I have no doubt this will be done with Unification. Its an easy sell. I have heard TOS fans complain that they want the guest appearances episodes without needing to buy the whole seasons. I could see causal fans, whether older or from the new films, being curious to see it too.

Also I think being a two parter within a season, it works better as a movie than some of the later cliffhangers. Which were not written to be seen as a movie. The cliffhangers often felt like having a climax in the middle of a movie, so that the second have was usually a let down. The first part of Unification is a build up, the Search for... Spock. So I think it actually plays much better as a movie than as two separate episodes.
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Old May 2 2013, 02:39 PM   #137
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Amazon UK have this up for pre-order for just £41 right now which is the lowest they've ever had one of these before release!
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Old May 2 2013, 03:38 PM   #138
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Yup if you're a UK customer I'd get in on that Amazon pre-order now if you're going to pre-order from anywhere, I can't see it being cheaper than that anywhere else and I wouldn't be surprised if that price creeps up as we get closer to release. If hell freezes over and the price drops further elsewhere you can always just cancel the pre-order!
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Old May 2 2013, 04:55 PM   #139
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I wonder what caused them to change tact - To ensure continuity between HTV & CBS over a season cliffhanger? If I'm correct, expect to see Times Arrow and Descent in your theatre's rather than Unification and Chain of Command.
I think they are choosing based on appeal to general audiences. People would not buy a full seasons. So subjects which are popular, The Borg and the Klingons. You can tell by the cover art. Its similar to the themed Fan Collective sets.

So I have no doubt this will be done with Unification. Its an easy sell. I have heard TOS fans complain that they want the guest appearances episodes without needing to buy the whole seasons. I could see causal fans, whether older or from the new films, being curious to see it too.

Also I think being a two parter within a season, it works better as a movie than some of the later cliffhangers. Which were not written to be seen as a movie. The cliffhangers often felt like having a climax in the middle of a movie, so that the second have was usually a let down. The first part of Unification is a build up, the Search for... Spock. So I think it actually plays much better as a movie than as two separate episodes.
I certainly hope I am wrong and you are correct.
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Old May 2 2013, 06:21 PM   #140
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Releases like BOBW and Redemption serve a purpose that is lost on episodes like Unification - it combines episodes that would be separated by different discs/seasons/dates. It provides a temporary selling point by allowing fans to resolve the cliffhanger right away.
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Old May 2 2013, 07:29 PM   #141
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Releases like BOBW and Redemption serve a purpose that is lost on episodes like Unification - it combines episodes that would be separated by different discs/seasons/dates. It provides a temporary selling point by allowing fans to resolve the cliffhanger right away.
I really disliked cramming the two episodes together. I watched The Best of Both Worlds last night and it just didn't "feel" right. No great Rod Jones musical cue at the end, no "Last time on..." at the beginning of part two.

Glad I told my daughter she could have it after I watch the episode and the special features. It won't be taking up valuable real estate on my Blu-ray shelf.
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Old May 2 2013, 07:35 PM   #142
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That does not make much sense. Most people who buy the season sets have already seen the episodes and know the resolutions. You are thinking of this from only the perspective of a fan.

This is not about cliffhangers. Its about creating new movies out of tv episodes. Movies can be purchased as an impulse buy because of a lower price and being able to watch it in a single viewing. Putting Spock on a DVD cover Picard and/or Data on sale for $14.99 is going to get attention.
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Old May 2 2013, 08:54 PM   #143
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This is not about cliffhangers. Its about creating new movies out of tv episodes. Movies can be purchased as an impulse buy because of a lower price and being able to watch it in a single viewing. Putting Spock on a DVD cover Picard and/or Data on sale for $14.99 is going to get attention.
Which makes sense. But I don't think it's asking too much to make the joins just a little more subtle. The music cut was jarring.

(I think they should have played out the entire musical sting, and faded to blank, just like other commercial breaks in the "movie".)
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Old May 2 2013, 09:48 PM   #144
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This is not about cliffhangers. Its about creating new movies out of tv episodes. Movies can be purchased as an impulse buy because of a lower price and being able to watch it in a single viewing. Putting Spock on a DVD cover Picard and/or Data on sale for $14.99 is going to get attention.
Which makes sense. But I don't think it's asking too much to make the joins just a little more subtle. The music cut was jarring.

(I think they should have played out the entire musical sting, and faded to blank, just like other commercial breaks in the "movie".)
As a 'feature' cut, I had no problem with it at all. I know how the original 2 parted ended. It's not like we were going to leave at the end of part 1 and come back in next week for part 2. There was no need for the cliffhanger fade out because the theatrical cut isn't a cliffhanger. It's meant to run together.
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Old May 2 2013, 10:15 PM   #145
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Amazon UK have this up for pre-order for just £41 right now which is the lowest they've ever had one of these before release!
Thanks I just pre-ordered it. I'm stunned that at the price seeing as season 3 was £77 to pre-order before dropping to around £50.
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Old May 2 2013, 10:55 PM   #146
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There was no need for the cliffhanger fade out because the theatrical cut isn't a cliffhanger. It's meant to run together.
But there is a need to not have a sudden jump in the music there. It's a crappy cut.
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Old May 2 2013, 10:59 PM   #147
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There was no need for the cliffhanger fade out because the theatrical cut isn't a cliffhanger. It's meant to run together.
But there is a need to not have a sudden jump in the music there. It's a crappy cut.
Yup. It jumps from one type of music to another with no transition.
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Old May 2 2013, 11:12 PM   #148
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Guys, if you think that's crappy already, go listen how they raped the german version in those seconds... After that, you will be very pleased by what happened to the english one.
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Old May 2 2013, 11:53 PM   #149
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Guys, if you think that's crappy already, go listen how they raped the german version in those seconds... After that, you will be very pleased by what happened to the english one.
Is that posted anywhere?
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Old May 3 2013, 12:05 AM   #150
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I hope not.
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