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Old June 3 2009, 01:56 PM   #1
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Sondra Marshak and Myrna Culbreath

I've been reading some of the older TOS novels, and note that this pair, who had done the 2 Phoenix novels (which I found utterly incomprehensible when I read them as an adolescent) also wrote a Pocket book, Triangle. I'm sure this has been asked before, but whatever happened to them? Seemed like they were mantle-holders for a while and then pfft.
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Old June 3 2009, 02:05 PM   #2
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I've been reading some of the older TOS novels, and note that this pair, who had done the 2 Phoenix novels (which I found utterly incomprehensible when I read them as an adolescent) also wrote a Pocket book, Triangle. I'm sure this has been asked before, but whatever happened to them? Seemed like they were mantle-holders for a while and then pfft.
Actually they wrote two novels for Pocket Triangle and The Prometheus Design.

Not sure what they're doing now, but as long as the stay away from writing Star Trek novels I'm happy.
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Old June 3 2009, 02:13 PM   #3
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oh, right. Prometheus Design. I just wonder what happened. Did Pocket decide they were just too slashy for the new Trek era?
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Old June 3 2009, 02:17 PM   #4
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Pick up Voyages of the Imagination and you'll find out.
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Old June 3 2009, 05:32 PM   #5
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Not sure what they're doing now, but as long as the stay away from writing Star Trek novels I'm happy.
Oh, good heavens, so true.
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Old June 4 2009, 09:24 PM   #6
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Well, I know I'm in the minority but I've always found their stories intriguing. The 2 Phoenix novels, while heavy-handed with the alpha male concept, gave us a perfect villain in Omne. He knew how to manipulate Kirk and Spock and that made him very dangerous. Those novels were better than some of the others at the time like World Without End or Spock, Messiah!.

I didn't care for their take on Vulcans in The Prometheus Design but it was still an interesting look into an alien, if not Vulcan, culture.

Triangle was rather simplistic (read: Mary Sue story) with a triangle with Sola Thane. But it was a nice insight on Kirk and Spock putting each other first above their own needs.

The Procrustean Petard in Star Trek: The New Voyages 2 was too chauvinistic for my tastes but it had an interesting germ of an idea that was executed poorly (much like Turnabout Intruder.

Lots of interesting ideas from these two ladies!! Not always the best Star Trek but a bunch of stories I would include in my own personal canon with some polishing and streamlining on them.
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Old June 4 2009, 09:27 PM   #7
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I love Price and Fate of the Phoenix when I was a teenager. Didn't understand a word of 'em, but still loved 'em!
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Old June 5 2009, 12:30 AM   #8
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Well, I know I'm in the minority but I've always found their stories intriguing. The 2 Phoenix novels, while heavy-handed with the alpha male concept, gave us a perfect villain in Omne. He knew how to manipulate Kirk and Spock and that made him very dangerous. Those novels were better than some of the others at the time like World Without End or Spock, Messiah!.

I didn't care for their take on Vulcans in The Prometheus Design but it was still an interesting look into an alien, if not Vulcan, culture.

Triangle was rather simplistic (read: Mary Sue story) with a triangle with Sola Thane. But it was a nice insight on Kirk and Spock putting each other first above their own needs.
I really loved the PHOENIX novels, and remember in Shat's first bio (written by M&C with him) he mentions that he wished they had used that for the first TREK movie instead of the TMP script. I think PROMETHEUS is good as well, but TRIANGLE was just ... well, it killed M&C for me the way the MATRIX sequels almost killed my appreciation for the first film. Thank God Diane Duane and John Ford came along, or I'd've given up on Trek fiction a decade earlier than I wound up doing.
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Old June 5 2009, 05:07 AM   #9
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Oh God. *shudder!*

Those books were out in the days when there were very few Trek books available and so I bought them.

And was very sorry. Ugh.
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Old June 5 2009, 12:35 PM   #10
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Wasn't one or both of them also involved with "Black Fire"?

Yeah, the TOS novels went through a NASTY period...lots of Mary Sue, implied slash, hurt/comfort...the whole nine yards.
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Old June 5 2009, 01:45 PM   #11
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Wasn't one or both of them also involved with "Black Fire"?
That was by Sonni Cooper. As far as I know, Marshak & Culbreath had no involvement with that project.
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Old June 5 2009, 02:46 PM   #12
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So what happened? Did they tire of Trek, which I can't imagine?
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So what happened? Did they tire of Trek, which I can't imagine?
I'm sorry, did you not read my post, the second response to this thread?
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Old June 5 2009, 03:05 PM   #14
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Maybe Trek tired of them.

I usually rate them among the worst Star Trek novels ever, and never plan to ever buy them or acquire them again. They were some of the first trek books I ever got rid of.
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Old June 5 2009, 04:00 PM   #15
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I picked up Fate of the Phoenix at a Half-Priced Books not long ago, on a lark.

Jeez, that's some terrible writing. A weeping Kirk and a Kirk-clone and all kinds of shit. Just ... awful.

From reading just a bit, I was certain Marshak and Culbreath are the type who fall in love with gay men.

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