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Old February 26 2014, 09:08 AM   #91
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I really like Bounty. Ok part of it does come down to the wonder that is Tyce, but I like the notion of exiled leaders and the Federation not quite being all powerful, that planets could still break away. Plus it’s nice to see Jenna get the chance to play the hero, even if you never really believe she’s a complete traitor (it might have been more believable if it’d been Avon, let’s be honest!)
It's a subtle point, but the Federation of seasons one and two are pretty decent compared with what comes later; there is a certain sense of rule of law, officers who commit atrocities csn be courtmartialed for it (if only for show) and local regimes seem to be given leeway as to how repressive they chose to be (so long as they maontain order). That all ends under Servalan.
It's a subtle point, but it's the difference between living under Kruschev or Breshnev, or Stalin/Hitler/Saddam.
Very true.

The Federation in series 3 was in a mess, as Tarrant points out in Rescue, Xenon was outside Federation territory before the invasion, and it’s well outside their territory after their empire contracted, suggesting the loss of their fleet and Star One was a huge blow. However, clearly they remained powerful enough to stay in control, even of just some core systems, until Sleer’s pacification program gave them the ability to start taking back and expanding their empire.

Rumours of Death seems to indicate that, for a while at least, even Earth may have rebelled, given that Shrinker seems to have switched sides, then back again. Plus then you have Anna Grant’s little coup further indicating that even Earth isn’t safe.

The big question really is where the hell Blake was when all this was going on? The Federation was there for the taking in series 3, and even without the Liberator or Orac you’d have thought Roj Blake would have been swept into power. Or was it just, as Shrinker intimates, that the rebels spent too long “kicking the corpses” and not enough cementing control?

In series 1/2 I think it isn’t beyond the realms of possibility for some kind of peaceful revolution to happen within the Federation, with someone akin to Gobrbachev slowly providing more and more freedoms. By series 4 it’s clear that the Federation is a completely totalitarian regime, and it’s hard to imagine who can stop them, especially after the events of Blake. I guess if Avon and co managed to spread the cure to the pacification drugs there’s a chance, but even so it seemed like production would be a near impossibility without Betafarl.

I think it’s fair to say Servalan won…at least until someone more vicious and conniving comes along and supplants her.
I remember some quote, probably from Chris Boucher, after the series ended saying how "seven individuals wouldn't bring down the Nazis", so they didn't bother with the mega happy ending.

I would've expected season three to have been a 'lets get the Federation while they're on their knees' storyline but without Blake they let them get too far into rebuilding. When they lost the Liberator though they were definitely reduced to guerilla tactics.
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Old February 26 2014, 09:36 AM   #92
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ORAC would have destroyed the Federation by himself, if he really felt like it.
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Old February 26 2014, 10:02 AM   #93
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Probably given Orac probably could have tapped into the central Federation network, impersonated Sleer or Servalan, or whoever and caused merry havoc, getting pursuit ships to shoot each other down, getting Federation prisons to let all their political prisoners go and basically pulling an Edward Snowden when it came to any and all Federation secrets.

The trouble in Series 3 is that, whilst Avon and co did want to bring the Federation down, their reasons were purely selfish, they just didn’t want to be hunted anymore. Blake may have been a fanatic, but to bring down the Federation it’s probable you needed a fanatic, needed a man willing to wade up to his armpits in the blood of martyrs to get the job done, a man willing to get into bed with drug peddlers if it meant knocking down the Federation. Avon and co would always choose robbing a Federation bank over breaking a bunch of prisoners out. They were willing to hurt the Federation but only when there was something in it for them.

And no seven people couldn’t bring down the Federation, before we even get into the mathematics of how often there were actually seven of them
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Old February 26 2014, 03:46 PM   #94
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And no seven people couldn’t bring down the Federation, before we even get into the mathematics of how often there were actually seven of them
I always counted ORAC, Zen/Slave, and The Liberator/Scorpio when needed
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Old February 26 2014, 03:53 PM   #95
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Well if you count Zen and Orac then there are usually seven, although by the same token this means in series 2 there’s actually eight (at least until Pressure Point!)

I guess the other question is whether Blake is counted as one of the seven?
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Old February 26 2014, 06:55 PM   #96
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Well if you count Zen and Orac then there are usually seven, although by the same token this means in series 2 there’s actually eight (at least until Pressure Point!)

I guess the other question is whether Blake is counted as one of the seven?
The original storyline was for Blake, seven others and Zen, making the show's title grammatically correct.

The additional two characters were dropped before the series began for budgetary reasons (although 'Arco' appeared in Cygnus Alpha only to be killed off at the end of the episode).
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Old February 26 2014, 11:50 PM   #97
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Re: Orac's abilities... that's partly why Chris wrote Shadow, to put a limit on Orac beyond its personality,as they'd realised he could be a bit too much of a trump card.
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Old February 26 2014, 11:50 PM   #98
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Yeah wasn't Arco originally supposed to fill the Avon role? I think it might have been too cluttered with additional cast members. I mean poor old Gan barely got anything to do as it was, without adding another two people in!

And yeah Orac really was way too powerful, though you could argue his personality was another limiter (ha) since he rarely voluntarily helped the others unless threatened or cajoled, or unless he himself was in danger.

Good old Trooper Orac
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Old February 27 2014, 12:53 AM   #99
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What I wondered with the Galactic Empire in Star Wars as well... Why did the Terran Federation need such a huge massive fleet?

Was it really for internal policy, or were they waiting for the next extragalactic invasion?

The Terran Federation had such a hold on the Milkway galaxy that they had mined it's entire circumference from external invasion.

Nobody went in, nobody went out.

(We dare not go a hunting for fear of little man.)
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Old March 2 2014, 03:00 AM   #100
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A13: ORAC

The season ends with the crew acquiring a new toy, not to mention the last appearance of the original Travis. Ensor comes across as a grumpy old man with a failing mind rather than the scientific genius he is made out to be. The editing to cover the loss of Stephen Grief part way through filming is covered well. Orac's ability for prediction is a little too supernatural for the reason given.

B01: REDEMPTION

After a full season we finally get to meet the creators of the Liberator, and it doesn't disappoint. Avoiding a Servalan / Federation storyline, or fully devoting a story to Orac, was a wise choice. Makes me wonder why Avon has a bomb just lying around in the computer room! The resolution to Orac's prediction was... predictable. The slightly upgraded sets give a more professional air to the ship.
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A13: ORAC

The season ends with the crew acquiring a new toy, not to mention the last appearance of the original Travis. Ensor comes across as a grumpy old man with a failing mind rather than the scientific genius he is made out to be. The editing to cover the loss of Stephen Grief part way through filming is covered well. Orac's ability for prediction is a little too supernatural for the reason given.

B01: REDEMPTION

After a full season we finally get to meet the creators of the Liberator, and it doesn't disappoint. Avoiding a Servalan / Federation storyline, or fully devoting a story to Orac, was a wise choice. Makes me wonder why Avon has a bomb just lying around in the computer room! The resolution to Orac's prediction was... predictable. The slightly upgraded sets give a more professional air to the ship.

What were the upgrades to the sets or where they more behind the scenes such as improving the rigidity?
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What were the upgrades to the sets or where they more behind the scenes such as improving the rigidity?
The Flight Deck has some slight cosmetic changes; the studio floor is now different, and Zen is slightly changed, such as he isn't as bright as he was, and his alcove seems slightly different. A few other tweaks here and there.
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Considering how the automatic repairs worked, like magic, which probably went double for the self cleaning, the ship should have been able to redecorate at whim.

Taking into account where this ship is from, what the frakk is with the Wardrobe and the vault?

Although Liberator was probably from the old guard before the machine took over, and that's what the big fight was about when the London found it?
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Taking into account where this ship is from, what the frakk is with the Wardrobe and the vault?

Although Liberator was probably from the old guard before the machine took over, and that's what the big fight was about when the London found it?
I'd never considered that. Considering Cygnus Alpha was nowhere near the 12th Sector I find it unlikely it was part of a rebellion against the System, although those red engined pursuit ships could've chased DSV2 and other rebel vessels into our space.

The vault and clothing could either have been from the human crew or spoils of war.
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Old March 3 2014, 10:31 AM   #105
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The system don’t seem the type to be interested in the spoils of war. It’s interesting because if I remember correctly Liberator has only just been involved in a battle when it encounters the London (although to be fair I guess it could have been drifting for decades for all we know and it just drifted through the battle)

Side tracking the thread for a moment, I saw Gareth Thomas, Paul Darrow, Jan Chappell, Sally Knyvette, Steven Greif and Brian Croucher on Saturday! Got Blake Cally and Jenna’s autographs (Got Darrow’s last year and frankly my budget wouldn’t stretch to the Travises!) Then sat in on a panel with them all. Was really interesting, but just a few points of interest.

- Gareth Thomas looks very old now I know he is, but given Darrow’s actually a couple of years older and Greif is, I believe, the same age as Gareth he looked and acted a lot older than both of them, and kept hanging his head a lot in the panel, I did wonder if he’d nodded off at some points!

- Sally Knyvette is great, bubbly and friendly and very enthusiastic and she was probably the biggest surprise for me.

- Jan Chappell is a little…odd…she was really fixated about people taking photos, and during the panel got the host to tell everyone to stop taking photos, and even after this she had a go at someone in the front row who she thought was still filming/photographing them all. Now I fully understand if she has issues, maybe it’s a copyright issue, and maybe it’s a vanity one (I asked her during the signing session if I could take a snap of her and Sally as I’d missed out on getting a ticket for the official photo session, and she said no “Too old now”. Like I say not a problem but she should have made this clear to the guy hosting the panel beforehand as he’d told everyone they could take photos as long as they didn’t use the flash. Paul tried to get her to relax and Sally just rolled her eyes a bit as if this wasn’t something new.

-Paul Darrow is still sharp as a tack, very quick witted

- I’m not sure if there’s any history between the two Travises, but whenever Croucher was talking I was watching Greif and his body language was interesting to say the least. Greif comes across very thoughtful and articulate, Croucher is very much like he appears on screen, and he claimed he didn’t understand the scripts much!

All in all it was interesting, although there is a bit of a moral about never meeting your heroes for me, particularly with regard to Chappell, that said like I say Sally Knyvette more than made up for this. Really autograph wise the only two I’d be desperate to get now would be Steven Pacey and Jaqueline Pearce, sadly I suspect I’ll never get to see the Supreme Commander as I believe she’s living in south Africa now and hasn’t been well for
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This is probably the best photo I was able to get of all of them

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