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Old April 22 2013, 10:14 AM   #31
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Re: Grammar Nazi Thread: Smooshing Words Together

With my impending decrepitude what I need is a mutton shagger.
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Old April 22 2013, 10:41 AM   #32
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You've also go to remember that just because people speak the same language their can be subtle or not so subtle differences between them. A word such as deplane might be used say in North America whilst in say the UK and Commonwealth countries disembark would be used instead.
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Old April 22 2013, 11:45 AM   #33
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I mean, seriously, of course there is such a word as 'deplane' -- just because one dislikes it doesn't mean it is not a valid word. I know what it means to deplane, and most English-speakers will also know it's meaning; it certainly seems to fit the criterion for being a word. Whether or not a word is a word is not limited to it's appearance in a certain edition of a specific dictionary! What a dull world it would be if language was static.
My point is that it's an unnecessary word. A word already exists to describe that concept - "disembark," as Macleod says. I'm all for new words to describe new concepts. Of course Chaucer didn't have a word for "internet," because he didn't need one. Likewise there's no need to create a new word to describe "disembark" when there's already a perfectly good word that serves the purpose. After seven years of living in the States, I have to say my impression wasn't that it was a dialectal difference, but rather ignorance of the fact that the word "disembark" exists at all.

Likewise, usage of such non-words as "winningest" on Nascar commentary makes me want to stab a bitch.


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"Guess" and "estimate" are so similar in meaning anyway that nothing is gained by combining them that couldn't be described perfectly well by one or the other. It's utterly pointless.
"Guess" and "estimate" aren't the same thing. An estimate is an approximate calculation. A guess is something you pull out of your ass.
I never said they were identical - I know they're not. But what possible middle ground is there between the two that requires a whole new word to describe it? Either something is an educated calculation (thus an "estimate") or it's not (thus a "guess").

It's like when people say "more unique." Impossible! "Unique" is an absolute state, it is not subject to gradation.

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Old April 22 2013, 12:02 PM   #34
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My point is that it's an unnecessary word. A word already exists to describe that concept - "disembark," as Macleod says. I'm all for new words to describe new concepts. Of course Chaucer didn't have a word for "internet," because he didn't need one. Likewise there's no need to create a new word to describe "disembark" when there's already a perfectly good word that serves the purpose. After seven years of living in the States, I have to say my impression wasn't that it was a dialectal difference, but rather ignorance of the fact that the word "disembark" exists at all.
Well, you say that, but "embark" comes from Middle French "Embarquer", with Em- being from "En" meaning in, and "Barque" meaning ship. So you're actually saying you're boarding a ship, not an aircraft, when you embark. (Barque came from the Latin Barca, meaning ship.)

Thus, dis-em-bark would mean to get off a ship. I can certainly see the point in having a specific alternative for aircraft.

(Of course, it's also true that you "embark" on a journey - this is a broadening of the original meaning, and lends support to the thought that we don't need any such alternative, but some people just prefer to be specific about their mode of transport.)
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Old April 22 2013, 12:10 PM   #35
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Just leave English alone!! Organic, that's your word. Stuff shifts and drifts and changes.
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Old April 22 2013, 12:17 PM   #36
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"Deplane" sounds like someone is trying to pull the poor airplane's wings off.
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Old April 22 2013, 12:44 PM   #37
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Isn't deplane what Tattoo used to yell on Fantasy Island?
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Old April 22 2013, 12:50 PM   #38
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Old April 22 2013, 01:19 PM   #39
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My point is that it's an unnecessary word. A word already exists to describe that concept - "disembark," as Macleod says. I'm all for new words to describe new concepts. Of course Chaucer didn't have a word for "internet," because he didn't need one. Likewise there's no need to create a new word to describe "disembark" when there's already a perfectly good word that serves the purpose. After seven years of living in the States, I have to say my impression wasn't that it was a dialectal difference, but rather ignorance of the fact that the word "disembark" exists at all.
Well, you say that, but "embark" comes from Middle French "Embarquer", with Em- being from "En" meaning in, and "Barque" meaning ship. So you're actually saying you're boarding a ship, not an aircraft, when you embark. (Barque came from the Latin Barca, meaning ship.)

Thus, dis-em-bark would mean to get off a ship. I can certainly see the point in having a specific alternative for aircraft.

(Of course, it's also true that you "embark" on a journey - this is a broadening of the original meaning, and lends support to the thought that we don't need any such alternative, but some people just prefer to be specific about their mode of transport.)
Well the definition of disembark is

Leave a ship, aircraft, or other vehicle.

And you can make a case for an aircraft being a ship, it's just a ship which travels through air instead of say the water or space.

But language evolve and change overtime, some languages at a faster pace than others.
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Old April 22 2013, 01:33 PM   #40
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Is ''ginormous'' a real word now? Furthermoron......why do we even need it??
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Old April 22 2013, 01:35 PM   #41
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Isn't deplane what Tattoo used to yell on Fantasy Island?
Why yes, it is. He stood next to that man that looks like Khan, as he said it.

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Old April 22 2013, 01:35 PM   #42
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Is ''ginormous'' a real word now? Furthermoron......why do we even need it??
It adds cuteness to bigness therefore, win!
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Old April 22 2013, 01:35 PM   #43
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Is ''ginormous'' a real word now? Furthermoron......why do we even need it??
That's not how it works. Words are not created to fulfill a need.
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It's like when people say "more unique." Impossible! "Unique" is an absolute state, it is not subject to gradation.
That's one of my pet peeves. If we water down the word "unique", there is no other single word to replace it, just the phrase "one of a kind".

My other current pet peeve is using "literally" to mean, well, not literally. That one gives me a (figurative) headache!
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Old April 22 2013, 01:41 PM   #45
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"If everything is awesome and nothing is not awesome, then by definition everything is just mediocre!" -Ellie Bartowsky, Chuck

Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn what words you use as long as you spell them right. And use punctuation. Yeah.
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