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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 146 18.79%
A 163 20.98%
A- 102 13.13%
B+ 86 11.07%
B 62 7.98%
B- 31 3.99%
C+ 42 5.41%
C 39 5.02%
C- 28 3.60%
D+ 12 1.54%
D 13 1.67%
D- 10 1.29%
F 43 5.53%
Voters: 777. You may not vote on this poll

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Old May 1 2013, 04:20 PM   #826
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Therin of Andor wrote: View Post
But some fans showed a lack of respect for James' efforts, people defended those efforts and his right to interpret Star Trek in his own vision - and then he demonstrated a similar/louder lack of respect for JJ's efforts.
He doesn't like the movies, and says so.

I'm very disappointed in Mr Cawley's seemingly total and angry rejection of Bad Robot's most recent effort, especially after JJ Abrams made him a part of the 2009 movie,
The fact that Abrams gave him a walk-on in one needn't sway his opinion unless one views such things as quid pro quo.
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Old May 1 2013, 04:39 PM   #827
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

I'd think that the fact that these movies take place 300 years in the future, in outer space, and involve transport beams/warp drive/aliens/alternate realities, kind of helps to negate any possibility of Captain Kirk actually being a real role model. Kids aren't stupid, for the most part.
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Old May 1 2013, 05:00 PM   #828
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The notion of using fictional characters - or celebrities, for that matter - as role models is an awful one in so many ways.
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Old May 1 2013, 05:16 PM   #829
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I'd think that the fact that these movies take place 300 years in the future, in outer space, and involve transport beams/warp drive/aliens/alternate realities, kind of helps to negate any possibility of Captain Kirk actually being a real role model. Kids aren't stupid, for the most part.
The popularity of some rap artists and their lyrics, challenges that premise IMO.
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Old May 1 2013, 05:58 PM   #830
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Therin of Andor wrote: View Post
But some fans showed a lack of respect for James' efforts, people defended those efforts and his right to interpret Star Trek in his own vision - and then he demonstrated a similar/louder lack of respect for JJ's efforts.
Yeah, it is a bit of the hydrant pissing on the dog.
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Old May 1 2013, 06:33 PM   #831
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Cadet Kirk promoted to captain?
Such as a not-even-one term US Senator elected as POTUS?
That analogy is bad, and you should feel bad.
It's funny, but I don't

That analogy holds up pretty well, I think.
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Old May 1 2013, 06:40 PM   #832
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So has anyone seen the pictures of the new Klingons?
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Old May 1 2013, 08:19 PM   #833
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Yep. They look pretty good, at least in low-rez.
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Old May 1 2013, 08:36 PM   #834
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Gates, Jobs, Zuckerberg, Turner, Lauren, Ellison, Geffen...

Yeah, yeah, all famous exceptions. Well, the most successful woman I know personally has a GED.
You don't really get statistics, do you?
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Old May 1 2013, 08:47 PM   #835
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You don't really get statistics, do you?
Very well, thanks. Of course, that has nothing at all to do with what we're discussing but feel free to bring up any red herring you'd like.

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Only they learn the hard way that,with very few exceptions, everyone starts at the bottom.
In fact that's not at all so.
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Old May 1 2013, 08:58 PM   #836
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You don't really get statistics, do you?
Very well, thanks. Of course, that has nothing at all to do with what we're discussing but feel free to bring up any red herring you'd like.
It has everything to do with your statement. You cite a handful of individuals who have been successful without a college education as proof that a college education isn't necessary for success.
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Old May 1 2013, 09:04 PM   #837
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You cite a handful of individuals who have been successful without a college education as proof that a college education isn't necessary for success.
No, and your mistake is contained in the bolded phrase. I'm not offering examples as "proof" of anything.

Anyone who's awake and paying any attention at all to the world around them knows by experience that a college education isn't necessary to success, so that's a given.

The notion that the filmmakers are somehow doing Our Youth a disservice by portraying Kirk as taking an exceptional path to success is arrant nonsense.
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Old May 1 2013, 09:07 PM   #838
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Anyone who's awake and paying any attention at all to the world around them knows by experience that a college education isn't necessary to success, so that's a given.
Oh really. I suppose that depends on your definition of the word "success." But, go ahead and define it so that your side of the argument is correct. To begin with, I'd ask you to name 5 (career) jobs that don't require a college education for entry.

But this will likely go beyond the scope of the forum.
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Old May 1 2013, 09:11 PM   #839
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So has anyone seen the pictures of the new Klingons?
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Yep. They look pretty good, at least in low-rez.
Ridges?
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Old May 1 2013, 09:18 PM   #840
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Just thought I'd add this link:

http://collegedropoutshalloffame.com/

Interestingly, according to the site, 63 of the 400 richest people in the U.S. in 2011 either graduated high school but didn't attend college or dropped out of college. That's almost 16 percent of the list.

The sad thing is a college degree is no guarantee of success (even middle class success) these days, either. A lot of overqualified people are doing grunt work.

Back on topic, this thread needs more spoilers!

Nice to see the positive early reviews, too. The 95 percent fresh mark set by ST09 on Rotten Tomatoes may be tough to meet, but STID is off to a good start.
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