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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.28%
A 161 21.55%
A- 101 13.52%
B+ 83 11.11%
B 58 7.76%
B- 27 3.61%
C+ 40 5.35%
C 38 5.09%
C- 25 3.35%
D+ 11 1.47%
D 13 1.74%
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F 36 4.82%
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Old December 26 2013, 03:11 PM   #4936
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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Things I disliked:
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8. Tribbles!
How could you not like tribbles? My 5 year old says thats the best thing about Star Trek.

You're not a Klingon, are you?
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Old December 26 2013, 03:31 PM   #4937
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A tribble saved the life of Captain Kirk. Somewhere, David Gerrold wept with joy.
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Old December 27 2013, 08:29 PM   #4938
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6. I love all the fanboys who rave how STID is soo "innovative" ...
"Innovative"? I don't recall much raving about that going on.

Here's a suggestion: Why not stick to discussing the movie and/or comments which have been made here, and just leave out backhanded swipes at any fan groups for things they haven't actually said?
Do you know this for a fact that no one anywhere raved about how innovated STID was? Are you a fan boy? Do you speak for all fan boys everywhere? No? Then here's a suggestion: Settle down, Beavis, lighten up, and quit looking to be offended at a figure of speech expressing an opinion about a movie (that IS what we are all doing here, after all), that wasn't even directed at you.

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Things I disliked:
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8. Tribbles!
How could you not like tribbles? My 5 year old says thats the best thing about Star Trek.

You're not a Klingon, are you?
I rest my case
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Old December 27 2013, 08:50 PM   #4939
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6. I love all the fanboys who rave how STID is soo "innovative" ...
"Innovative"? I don't recall much raving about that going on.

Here's a suggestion: Why not stick to discussing the movie and/or comments which have been made here, and just leave out backhanded swipes at any fan groups for things they haven't actually said?
Do you know this for a fact? Are you a fan boy?
I'm a moderator in this forum. As such, I'm reasonably familiar with what's been said here and with what hasn't, and I was offering you some friendly advice.

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Do you speak for all fan boys everywhere? No? Then here's a suggestion: Settle down, Beavis, lighten up, and quit looking to be offended at a figure of speech that wasn't even directed at you.
Just doing my job, Butthead, so settle down and lighten up, yourself.

As a general rule, speaking to the topic or to the content of posts made by others is the way to go; taking potshots at the people making those comments or at "fanboys" who are supposed to have said a thing some vague somewhere, not so much. In short: post, not poster. Master that, and you might go far.
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Old December 27 2013, 10:10 PM   #4940
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TheSubCommander wrote:
Do you know this for a fact that no one anywhere raved about how innovated STID was?
Appeal to ignorance. In other words, "it could be true" is pretty weak support for an assertion.
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Old January 4 2014, 02:47 AM   #4941
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so when kirk makes his speech at the end of the movie, he said "nearly a year" had passed since all of the events prior to the epilogue happened, so does that mean it is now 2260? or is it still 2259?
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Old January 4 2014, 05:24 AM   #4942
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I think what's good about this movie is that, should they ever do a sequel to the Khan story in the future, say when Kirk is getting up in age and Khan steals a ship to take revenge on Kirk and Spock, we know for a 100% definitive fact that Chekov was in Engineering the entire time Khan was aboard the Enterprise, should Khan try to remember any faces in the future.
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Old January 4 2014, 05:32 PM   #4943
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so when kirk makes his speech at the end of the movie, he said "nearly a year" had passed since all of the events prior to the epilogue happened, so does that mean it is now 2260? or is it still 2259?
It's probably 2260.
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Old January 4 2014, 05:43 PM   #4944
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mattman8907 wrote: View Post
so when kirk makes his speech at the end of the movie, he said "nearly a year" had passed since all of the events prior to the epilogue happened, so does that mean it is now 2260? or is it still 2259?
I'd guess 2260, since the movie starts on 2259.55.

It's interesting to note that according to the Best Buy ID extras the one-year gap was added in post production, merely by adding a pause to Kirk's speech. The After Darkness comics (which were probably written after seeing an early cut of the movie) ignore the gap altogether.
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Old February 1 2014, 11:09 AM   #4945
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Old February 2 2014, 07:47 PM   #4946
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Yes I realize that the movie was based on the tv series based in the 60's. That doesn't mean it has to represent the values of that era.

I did a quick google of "Star Trek: Into Darkness females" and see quite a few posts from women who feel the same.

http://www.hypable.com/2013/05/22/st...men-portrayal/

I think the worst part for me is that I felt like they made a half assed effort to give the women some kind of important role to try and cover the fact that they were 2 dimensional characters with no purpose. Blonde girl was meant to be a super smart weapons specialist but she neutralizes the torpedo by ripping out its wires (yea right). Uhara I don't know what she is meant to be but all she does is whine at Spock until the end when she is beamed down for 2 seconds and shoots Khan. It is just so lame.

The other things that bugged me were, why are people still using laptops and mobile phones 300 years in the future. Why is there always a magic button in the midst of everything going to shit that if pressed saves everyone (this happened twice). If the core was out of alignment, why wasn't there some machine that could align it inside the core, without Kirk having to go in and kick it. His death scene was so cheesy I was rolling my eyes. And the dumbest part, the 911 reference at the end.

worst star trek movie ever!

edit: and the whole kirk and spock thing was somewhat homeoerotic.
I am a perfectly modern, extremely feminist woman, and I have no problem with Into Darkness. Star Trek as a series has done wonderful things for feminism.. Yes, to a modern audience, TOS seems a bit sexist from time to time, but the truth is that from the perspective of the 60s it was incredibly avant grade. Saying that Star Trek should completely rearrange its story structure and characters for a modern audience is completely unrealistic and would piss off a bunch of Trekkies (including myself). It's also just over-sensitive. Women don't have to be the hero of every story... Neither do men. It's not some ploy to repress the female species.. Star Trek (TOS and new movies) just happens to be a story whose plot focuses on two men. It's that simple.
P.S. Kirk and Spock have always been borderline homoerotic (that's being generous).. and they always will be. It's the nature of their relationship-- T'hy'la-- and taking that out would be another breach of character.
THIS.

Also, Kirk and Spock are what as known as Ho Yay (as well as being the inspiration for it in recent times.)

As for Star Trek focusing too much on the men, I'd suggest watching this fan show that has two women (a human and a Vulcan) in it that focuses on their friendship hauling cargo from one star to the other:



For my part as a male, (and if Saldana and Eve are in the next movie), I'd like to see both Uhura and Marcus in a scene (set about, say, a shuttlecraft) talking about something other than the guys in their life (perhaps something related to the mission?)
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Old March 1 2014, 12:24 AM   #4947
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I really look back at this movie fondly and enjoyed it a lot.

But for some reason I just don't have an urge to watch it again. Like I'd rate it my third favourite Trek movie, but out of all the movies I'd rather watch Trek 09 and FC the most. Weird.
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Old March 1 2014, 12:33 AM   #4948
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I think it's a great movie, better than 09
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Old March 2 2014, 05:32 AM   #4949
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I have a couple of questions I would liked answered.

1. Why was it necessary to put Spock in the volcano?

2. Why is Kirk the only one making decisions in STiD? Where's the Conference table?

3. Why did Khan hide his people in the Torpedoes? Isn't the nature of a torpedo that it would put them in more danger?

4. Why don't they just beam up to the Enterprise? You've got a transporter that can go halfway across the galaxy, but not one that can send a crew to the ship?

Honestly, the whole "I'll demote you until you're Captain again in ten minutes" gave my whiplash. The music choices in this movie drive me up the wall. Scotty and Bones's humor just grates on my nerves. Uhura has more lines, but being an ancillary character to Spock sends this feminist into fits. And if Uhura is nothing more than a pouty girlfriend, what do you think I think of Carol Marcus?

But what bothers me the most in the relationship between Kirk and Spock. There is no love there. All they have done is challenge each other. They hate one-another, yet I am supposed to believe that they are best friends that would go ape if one of them dies. Why? And the "nods" that take full lines out of other scripts because they cannot explain with their own story why Kirk and Spock would do the things they did.

God, the more I watch it the worse it gets. It doesn't tell an interesting tale; this is becoming a dystopia.
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I have a couple of questions I would liked answered.

1. Why was it necessary to put Spock in the volcano?
The fusion device couldn't be beamed or detonated remotely due to the high activity. It had to be placed directly inside the volcano. The plan was to simply use a shuttle and lower Spock into the volcano long enough to set the bomb and detonate it. The high heat and electromagnetic activity (which does result from erupting volcanoes) caused a number of issues, and plans had to change.

2. Why is Kirk the only one making decisions in STiD? Where's the Conference table?
Kirk's not the only one making decisions; Spock makes a number of decisions, as does Sulu, Chekov, McCoy, and Uhura. They just don't use a conference table.

3. Why did Khan hide his people in the Torpedoes? Isn't the nature of a torpedo that it would put them in more danger?
As Khan explains in the film, his plan was to smuggle them out from under Section 31's nose. Admiral Marcus discovered this. This is why there were fields masking the internals of the torpedoes.

4. Why don't they just beam up to the Enterprise? You've got a transporter that can go halfway across the galaxy, but not one that can send a crew to the ship?
Who is "they"? That aside, the transwarp beaming formula was confiscated shortly after it was used (this is explained in the movie), so that only the higher levels of Section 31 even know of its existence.

All of these things are explained in the film.

Honestly, the whole "I'll demote you until you're Captain again in ten minutes" gave my whiplash. The music choices in this movie drive me up the wall. Scotty and Bones's humor just grates on my nerves. Uhura has more lines, but being an ancillary character to Spock sends this feminist into fits. And if Uhura is nothing more than a pouty girlfriend, what do you think I think of Carol Marcus?

But what bothers me the most in the relationship between Kirk and Spock. There is no love there. All they have done is challenge each other. They hate one-another, yet I am supposed to believe that they are best friends that would go ape if one of them dies. Why? And the "nods" that take full lines out of other scripts because they cannot explain with their own story why Kirk and Spock would do the things they did.

God, the more I watch it the worse it gets. It doesn't tell an interesting tale; this is becoming a dystopia.
I disagree with your opinions here. This movie feels like, if anything, pure Star Trek at its best. Character clashes, swashbuckling adventure, a strong theme of morality underlying everyone's motivation, a healthy dose of nostalgia from callbacks, and fantastic visuals to keep you on your toes.

By the way, as a feminist myself, I can honestly say that Uhura's character has never been stronger, than in these movies. I am rather surprised that you do not see that.
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