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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.25%
A 161 21.52%
A- 101 13.50%
B+ 83 11.10%
B 58 7.75%
B- 27 3.61%
C+ 40 5.35%
C 38 5.08%
C- 25 3.34%
D+ 11 1.47%
D 13 1.74%
D- 10 1.34%
F 37 4.95%
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Old October 17 2013, 05:07 AM   #4876
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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Why is there always a magic button in the midst of everything going to shit that if pressed saves everyone (this happened twice). If the core was out of alignment, why wasn't there some machine that could align it inside the core, without Kirk having to go in and kick it.
These two sentences seem to contradict each other to some extent.
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Old October 17 2013, 10:58 AM   #4877
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The other things that bugged me were, why are people still using laptops and mobile phones 300 years in the future.
You mean like the Padds and communicators that were still in fairly common use in every other Star Trek ever made? When you go to see a film based on a franchise, the implication is that it will contain the basic, familiar elements of that franchise. Even if those elements, despite having been originally designed as highly futuristic, now somewhat resemble things that people already use in their daily lives.

I'm sorry, I love 90's era trek - so far a great deal more than these new films - but criticizing a Star Trek movie for using 'mobile phones' is just lame. Especially since the '22nd century' style communicators were designed decades *before* mobile phones even existed...
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Old October 17 2013, 07:24 PM   #4878
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Yes I realize that the movie was based on the tv series based in the 60's. That doesn't mean it has to represent the values of that era.

I did a quick google of "Star Trek: Into Darkness females" and see quite a few posts from women who feel the same.

http://www.hypable.com/2013/05/22/st...men-portrayal/

I think the worst part for me is that I felt like they made a half assed effort to give the women some kind of important role to try and cover the fact that they were 2 dimensional characters with no purpose. Blonde girl was meant to be a super smart weapons specialist but she neutralizes the torpedo by ripping out its wires (yea right). Uhara I don't know what she is meant to be but all she does is whine at Spock until the end when she is beamed down for 2 seconds and shoots Khan. It is just so lame.
Um, yeah, I guess you were asleep when Uhura volunteered to go out on the surface of Q'Nos and parley with the Klingon warriors ready to fill them all. <--- Yep, Uhura was real 'whiney' in that scene.

The other things that bugged me were, why are people still using laptops and mobile phones 300 years in the future. Why is there always a magic button in the midst of everything going to shit that if pressed saves everyone (this happened twice).
Yeah there were no PADDs in TNG...oh, wait... Also, there were plenty of 'magic particle fixes the situation in the last 30 seconds' of episodes of TNG/DS9 where they had spent the past 40 minutes trying to resolve the situation. Boy, you must hate TNG too.

If the core was out of alignment, why wasn't there some machine that could align it inside the core, without Kirk having to go in and kick it. His death scene was so cheesy I was rolling my eyes. And the dumbest part, the 911 reference at the end.
Um, why is the Galaxy Class Warp Core ejection system ALWAYS offline when they need it the most? -- especially in Generations - and a myriad of TNG episodes.

Hell, in STII:TWoK; why does Spock need to go in and manually reset the 'Mains'? Also, why is there NO OTHER engineer in the Main Engineering (aside from Scotty, who, while suited up in a radiation suit seems completely out of it -- UNTIL Spock enters the 'Mains' area (and I'm calling what was reset the 'Mains' as that what Scotty had to take offline.) <--- All this, yet I don't see STII:TWoK considered one of the worst Star Trek films.

worst star trek movie ever!
Hardly, that would either be:
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (And I say that as a TOS fan.)
Star Trek: Generations
Star Trek: Insurrection
or
Star Trek: Nemesis

YMMV.
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Old October 20 2013, 07:50 AM   #4879
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Yes I realize that the movie was based on the tv series based in the 60's. That doesn't mean it has to represent the values of that era.

I did a quick google of "Star Trek: Into Darkness females" and see quite a few posts from women who feel the same.

http://www.hypable.com/2013/05/22/st...men-portrayal/

I think the worst part for me is that I felt like they made a half assed effort to give the women some kind of important role to try and cover the fact that they were 2 dimensional characters with no purpose. Blonde girl was meant to be a super smart weapons specialist but she neutralizes the torpedo by ripping out its wires (yea right). Uhara I don't know what she is meant to be but all she does is whine at Spock until the end when she is beamed down for 2 seconds and shoots Khan. It is just so lame.

The other things that bugged me were, why are people still using laptops and mobile phones 300 years in the future. Why is there always a magic button in the midst of everything going to shit that if pressed saves everyone (this happened twice). If the core was out of alignment, why wasn't there some machine that could align it inside the core, without Kirk having to go in and kick it. His death scene was so cheesy I was rolling my eyes. And the dumbest part, the 911 reference at the end.

worst star trek movie ever!

edit: and the whole kirk and spock thing was somewhat homeoerotic.
I am a perfectly modern, extremely feminist woman, and I have no problem with Into Darkness. Star Trek as a series has done wonderful things for feminism.. Yes, to a modern audience, TOS seems a bit sexist from time to time, but the truth is that from the perspective of the 60s it was incredibly avant grade. Saying that Star Trek should completely rearrange its story structure and characters for a modern audience is completely unrealistic and would piss off a bunch of Trekkies (including myself). It's also just over-sensitive. Women don't have to be the hero of every story... Neither do men. It's not some ploy to repress the female species.. Star Trek (TOS and new movies) just happens to be a story whose plot focuses on two men. It's that simple.
P.S. Kirk and Spock have always been borderline homoerotic (that's being generous).. and they always will be. It's the nature of their relationship-- T'hy'la-- and taking that out would be another breach of character.
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Old October 20 2013, 09:31 PM   #4880
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I would have preferred that they kept the dynamic from TOS, with Kirk, Spock and Bones at the forefront, Scotty being the intermediary, and Uhura, Sulu and Chekov being the background characters. Never cared for what they did for Uhura in these new films, I thought she has been worthless from the start. I'm sure her increased presence is because of producers wanting to appeal to the female demographics by giving her something to do other than hang around in the background saying "hailing frequencies open, sir", and of course Zoe Saldana making demands for character to have more to do.

If they really wanted a Spock romance that bad just to establish that he has a case of the notgays, then it should have been with Nurse Chapel as that has been something established in TOS.
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Old October 20 2013, 10:18 PM   #4881
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If they really wanted a Spock romance that bad just to establish that he has a case of the notgays, then it should have been with Nurse Chapel as that has been something established in TOS.
One, that's offensive. Two, the reason for the romance is that they picked up on a vibe from TOS and decided to explore what might have been.
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Old October 20 2013, 10:26 PM   #4882
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I understand that, I just don't care for it.
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Old October 20 2013, 10:33 PM   #4883
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If they really wanted a Spock romance that bad just to establish that he has a case of the notgays, then it should have been with Nurse Chapel as that has been something established in TOS.
One, that's offensive. Two, the reason for the romance is that they picked up on a vibe from TOS and decided to explore what might have been.
1) Yeppers.

2) Even before the reboots, whenever I watched TOS I also thought that Uhura and Spock had more chemistry than Chapel/Spock.
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Old October 20 2013, 10:35 PM   #4884
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I take it you guys are unfamiliar with RedLetterMedia.
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Old October 20 2013, 10:39 PM   #4885
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I take it you guys are unfamiliar with RedLetterMedia.
Yes, I know who/he is. Guess what: still doesn't make the comment less offensive.
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Old October 20 2013, 10:41 PM   #4886
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How is it offensive?
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Old October 20 2013, 10:50 PM   #4887
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How is it offensive?
You know why it is, and it's a safe bet that's why you made it.

It was an unneeded swipe at Quinto that had nothing to do with the story or establishing anything about the character. It was a cheap shot aimed at the actor's sexuality; which in no way has been shown to affect either the way the character is written or his performance.
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Old October 20 2013, 10:54 PM   #4888
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You lose your bet then. I actually forgot of Quinto's homosexuality when I threw in that term. I was more or less addressing the idea of Spock getting a girlfriend just to make it clear to viewers that there is not gonna be some Kirk/Spock bi-curiosity going around. Heck, IIRC, Quinto didn't even come out until well after the 2009 film was released.
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Old October 20 2013, 10:56 PM   #4889
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Even before the reboots, whenever I watched TOS I also thought that Uhura and Spock had more chemistry than Chapel/Spock.
It's amazing how many people have claimed this post-Abrams' Trek.
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Old October 20 2013, 11:02 PM   #4890
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Even before the reboots, whenever I watched TOS I also thought that Uhura and Spock had more chemistry than Chapel/Spock.
It's amazing how many people have claimed this post-Abrams' Trek.
Are you suggesting that people making these claims haven't actually thought it up before Abrams Trek, but now do just as a way to show support for nuTrek? Totally absurd. In fact, I always thought that Kirk was an insubordinate horny dick that lied about his actions rather than owned them proudly.
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