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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.20%
A 161 21.47%
A- 101 13.47%
B+ 83 11.07%
B 59 7.87%
B- 27 3.60%
C+ 40 5.33%
C 38 5.07%
C- 25 3.33%
D+ 11 1.47%
D 13 1.73%
D- 10 1.33%
F 38 5.07%
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Old September 11 2013, 08:06 AM   #4711
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LOL. I read a very interesting article in Forbes today that talked about "entitled" fans and how the scream and squall about their favorite series/franchise and take to the internet and raise a huge fuss over every detail and how that has negatively effected shows/films. IMHO, this is a big part of why STID didn't do as well as it could have in the US market. Look, fanbois took to every forum in 2009 to wail about how bad the direction JJ and Co were taking the franchise and they kept it up for 3 years, berating any and all news of STID and then when the movie came out, they stepped it up even more. I would bet that many, many people who were interested in watching the movie were put off by all this negativity from the "entitled" fans. In essence all their ranting negated good word of mouth, which is what pulled the 2009 movie up so much. Another good example of this was Man of Steel.
I don't think STiD really suffered from any of that... it pretty much matched the first of the nuTrek and seems to be well liked. And MoS really dserved the bad word of mouth... it was just a terrible film, let alone and even worse Superman film.

As for STiD... it was so good I find myself actually being more kind to ST09 in the rewatch I am having. That's how good STiD is.
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Old September 14 2013, 12:16 AM   #4712
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I would bet that many, many people who were interested in watching the movie were put off by all this negativity from the "entitled" fans. In essence all their ranting negated good word of mouth, which is what pulled the 2009 movie up so much.
But how do members of the general public become aware of negative fan rants on a Trek BBS? Only when the media do a shock expose article about it.

Avid fans of Trek - like me - wouldn't allow bad-mouthing of a Trek movie put them off. (Otherwise I'd have never gone to see ST V.) But yes, negative ranting can do damage to the franchise as a whole. One the one hand fans will process Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations, while simultaneously perceiving that the public has a negative stereotypical image of Trekkies, yet in the next breath they are engaging in a ridiculous rant (which, to me, never ends up holding any water) simply because Trek took an unexpected turn in its storytelling, at odds with "what they should have done".

Is it time to laugh at "The Onion" video again?

http://www.theonion.com/video/trekki...tchable,14333/
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Old September 14 2013, 03:42 AM   #4713
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I watched it Wednesday night for the first time, and was thinking of what senator Vreenak said to Sisko in DS9
"to be honest my opinion of star fleet officers is so low you would have to work very hard indeed to disappoint me"

This applies to this movie, my expected disgust was there, however the movie was produced well enough, had all the hollywood action, drama effects etc, but is sucked, like the last movie it just was not trek for me but felt compelled to watch it.
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Old September 14 2013, 03:45 AM   #4714
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This applies to this movie, my expected disgust was there, ...
If you're disgusted watching a movie that isn't a snuff film, I tend to think you're doing it wrong.
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Old September 14 2013, 04:04 AM   #4715
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I enjoyed it as your standard action movie with the usual cliches and typical scenes, and it was a good production nice effects etc, but as a trek film it was poor
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Old September 14 2013, 06:21 AM   #4716
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I enjoyed it as your standard action movie with the usual cliches and typical scenes, and it was a good production nice effects etc, but as a trek film it was poor
What do you define as being a Trek film, though? It's based on the Star Trek mythos, using Star Trek characters, locations, and properties; it contains thematic elements that can be found in most Star Trek films and various series, and it is being funded by the company that authorizes the use of previously mentioned properties. On top of that, it is called "Star Trek."

Saying it's not a Star Trek film is completely subjective.
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Old September 14 2013, 09:32 AM   #4717
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I enjoyed it as your standard action movie with the usual cliches and typical scenes, and it was a good production nice effects etc, but as a trek film it was poor
Agreed.

Besides STID could have redeemed itself with a decent ending but... Man! The ending had me saying Dr. Evil's 'right' it was that mental.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37OWL7AzvHo
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Old September 14 2013, 10:34 AM   #4718
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Saying it's not a Star Trek film is completely subjective.
Doesn't that go without saying?

I thought the film had excellent production design, action, effects, scoring, acting, etc. ...also subjective.
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Old September 14 2013, 10:45 AM   #4719
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Are "In the Pale Moonlight", "Rascals", "Tuvix", "The Trouble With Tribbles" or "The Expanse" real Star Trek? Perhaps someone could make a list.
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Old September 14 2013, 01:06 PM   #4720
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Only The Cage and Threshold are true Star Trek!
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Old September 14 2013, 01:52 PM   #4721
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Pft! The Cage...

Threshold... and The Bride of Chaotica are the only 'True Trek' episodes that deserve worship.
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Old September 14 2013, 01:53 PM   #4722
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Pft! The Cage...

Threshold... and The Bride of Chaotica are the only 'True Trek' episodes that deserve worship.
I might have agreed if you had said Move Along Home. But now it's war!!!
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Old September 14 2013, 01:54 PM   #4723
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Move Along Home?

Heretic.
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Old September 14 2013, 04:07 PM   #4724
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Gazomg never said the film was not true Star Trek...he just said that as a Star Trek film, STID was poor. If he said that about Nemesis would people be jumping on right now?
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Old September 14 2013, 04:11 PM   #4725
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Gazomg never said the film was not true Star Trek...he just said that as a Star Trek film, STID was poor. If he said that about Nemesis would people be jumping on right now?
I tend to think that if we classify something as a "good movie" but a "bad Trek movie" we're missing the point. Why does a Trek movie need to be anything more than a "good movie"?

Star Trek: Nemesis wasn't a "bad Trek movie", it was just a bad movie.
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