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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.33%
A 161 21.61%
A- 100 13.42%
B+ 82 11.01%
B 58 7.79%
B- 27 3.62%
C+ 40 5.37%
C 38 5.10%
C- 25 3.36%
D+ 11 1.48%
D 13 1.74%
D- 10 1.34%
F 36 4.83%
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Old May 29 2013, 11:54 PM   #3871
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Loved the film until the Kahn reveal.
It spoiled it for me, he was blatantly no-where NEAR Mexican enough.


Admiral Buzzkill wrote: View Post
I found the "war-crazed admiral" storyline by itself silly and cliche.
Heh I just realised this film now fits in with the "all admirals are evil" trope.

I think in the entirety of Trek there's only Admiral Ross from DS9 and Pike from the first film that don't completely go xenophobic or downright evil the second they get promoted from Captain.

Oh, and Kirk, but the jury's still out on that one
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Old May 29 2013, 11:58 PM   #3872
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Belz... wrote: View Post
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But I was not "flat out wrong".
Ok, let me check that rather than work from memory :

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STID engineering was not filmed at the "brewery". It was filmed at NIF.
Since it WAS filmed, partially, at the brewery (engineering is more than just the warp core), then you were wrong. Unless you consider the rest of the machinery not engineering, in which case we're just clashing over definitions.
You're not getting it. Engineering WAS filmed at NIF.

Whether or not there were one or two scenes that showed the brewery as well is an insignificant factoid.

The enduring LOOK of engineering in THIS movie is derived from the shoot at NIF.

That's it. I'm gonna let it go at that. I've had long experience at semantics on this board and I can see this discussion going that route. So I'll let you have the last word on this (if you want).
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Old May 30 2013, 12:12 AM   #3873
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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Cryogenic wrote:
Other delights include the continued objectification of women
Not a fan of TOS, I take it. Or is that what we call the "just because TOS did it doesn't make it okay" fallacy
Hardly a fallacy. TOS was a product of its era, which was nearly 50 years ago. Society has changed drastically since then, and things which were acceptable then are far less so now.

Whether this film goes too far is a matter of personal opinion, but I read several mainstream reviews which criticised this aspect.
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Old May 30 2013, 12:26 AM   #3874
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You're not getting it. Engineering WAS filmed at NIF.

Whether or not there were one or two scenes that showed the brewery as well is an insignificant factoid.

The enduring LOOK of engineering in THIS movie is derived from the shoot at NIF.

That's it. I'm gonna let it go at that. I've had long experience at semantics on this board and I can see this discussion going that route. So I'll let you have the last word on this (if you want).
I'm not looking to have the last word, here. I'm trying to surmise if you are taking "engineering" to mean "just the place with the warp core". If so, then you are of course correct. I always understood "engineering" to be broader than just one room (see TNG for what I mean by one room.)
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Old May 30 2013, 01:04 AM   #3875
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Let's see:

The Enterprise can now maneuver in an atmosphere with ease. It's as handy as a helicopter.

Kirk is portrayed as an incompetent who is ultimately responsible for all the deaths in San Francisco.

The "Transwarp transporter" is back which means starships are definitely obsolete, in case that wasn't clear from the last movie.

Khan has somehow become and English white guy.

Death itself has been conquered with Khan's magic blood.

There's lots more but these are the highlights for me. What a piece of crap.

Full review is HERE.
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Old May 30 2013, 02:40 AM   #3876
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TOS was a product of its era, which was nearly 50 years ago. Society has changed drastically since then, and things which were acceptable then are far less so now.
Who cares?

I'll take a STID which is consistent with TOS on this issue over a STID which conforms to modern political correctness in a bid for "acceptance".
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Old May 30 2013, 03:38 AM   #3877
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There's really no virtue to being consistent with something that espouses outdated and unfair values. None at all.
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Old May 30 2013, 03:55 AM   #3878
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Just about recovered from an hour or so panic attack induced by watching STiD, and the shear wrongness of the casting.....

Still too angry and stressed to post coherently at this point.
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Old May 30 2013, 03:56 AM   #3879
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Still too angry and stressed to post coherently at this point.
This is self-evident.
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Old May 30 2013, 04:09 AM   #3880
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McCoy is Australian.
Karl Urban is from New Zealand.
Oops.
Keith Urban's Australian right?
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Just about recovered from an hour or so panic attack induced by watching STiD, and the shear wrongness of the casting.....

Still too angry and stressed to post coherently at this point.
Then why post at all?
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Old May 30 2013, 04:10 AM   #3881
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The needs of the many.
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Old May 30 2013, 05:01 AM   #3882
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Karl Urban is from New Zealand.
Oops.
Keith Urban's Australian right?

Yeppers.

Keith= Aussie
Karl= Kiwi
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Old May 30 2013, 05:21 AM   #3883
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Thanks for respectfully disagreeing.
Hey, thanks for not considering me a mindless automaton for simply enjoying the movie. I've been seeing that on movie sites when I mention that I like STiD. It gets depressing.

BC didn't do a terrible job with what he had, in my opinion. There was a cool, cold, and yes, somewhat enigmatic quality, that I think he conveyed well.

But Khan, to me, is much more than just that. BC's Khan wasn't hugely menacing, in my view, and I found that Montalban could be empathetic, even when he was turned into more of a B-movie heavy in TWOK.
Oh, you mean world class ham. In that case, Montalban has Cumberbatch beat. No one hammed it up like he did when playing Khan in TWOK, and I do mean that as a compliment.

Cumberbatch definitely played Khan as a cold calculator, one who really has no care whether you live or die, as long as you suit his purposes. Montalban's Khan was much more over the top in terms of villainy.

Two totally different styles from two totally different actors. Each has their strengths and weaknesses, I feel.

I'll have to check "Sherlock" out. I've been meaning to see what all the fuss is about for a while. But in that sense, I had no preconceptions about BC's performance. I took it for what it was; and it didn't really do a lot for me.
If you can, please do. I've seen dozens of Sherlock Holmes iterations, and this one is my favorite of them all. Benedict Cumberbatch's Holmes is a rather eccentric, genius, self described "consulting detective," and is ably played to the hilt. It also helps that Martin Freeman is a very versatile actor and does a splendid job playing the role of Dr. John Watson.
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Old May 30 2013, 06:01 AM   #3884
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Shaka Zulu wrote: View Post
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Let's see:
<snip>

There's lots more but these are the highlights for me. What a piece of crap.

Full review is HERE.
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Just about recovered from an hour or so panic attack induced by watching STiD, and the shear wrongness of the casting.....

Still too angry and stressed to post coherently at this point.
Then why post at all?
Your post: same question.

Seriously, neither of those responses added anything of value; both could as easily have been omitted and not have been missed at all.
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Old May 30 2013, 06:22 AM   #3885
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TOS was a product of its era, which was nearly 50 years ago. Society has changed drastically since then, and things which were acceptable then are far less so now.
Who cares?

I'll take a STID which is consistent with TOS on this issue over a STID which conforms to modern political correctness in a bid for "acceptance".
Right, so it's okay to change characterisation, themes and technology from the original series, but it's not okay to evolve from outdated depictions of women?

Films are made in order to make money. Females make up half of the population. Alienating women is counterproductive to making money. Having several reviews highlighting the issue could turn away potential viewers.

An argument that the film does not depict women poorly and that the reviews got it wrong is a reasonable response. An argument which is simply a justification that it's okay because TOS did it is ludicrous.
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