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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.33%
A 161 21.61%
A- 100 13.42%
B+ 82 11.01%
B 58 7.79%
B- 27 3.62%
C+ 40 5.37%
C 38 5.10%
C- 25 3.36%
D+ 11 1.48%
D 13 1.74%
D- 10 1.34%
F 36 4.83%
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Old May 22 2013, 10:07 AM   #3481
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

I probably have it somewhere..
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Old May 22 2013, 10:37 AM   #3482
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I've never really understood people who try to tell you that you can't like a movie or television show because it doesn't fit their worldview.
Oh, that's just because they are often incapable of considering the possibility that their point of view might not be universal. Those who disagree are wrong, crazy, or lying.
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Old May 22 2013, 11:36 AM   #3483
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We got NuKirk in his tighty whities and no one cared.

I wonder why they had clothes on at all.
I thought you took your clothes off. Perhaps I've been doing it wrong.

Is that how they do it in the future?
Read bible passages I mean.

As regards to the Carol Marcus undies incident. I for one was glad that it was only seen because Kirk was a perv, not because Carol fell for his womanising ways. Again I wonder was it necessary to take her clothes off the don the suit. I would have left mine on. What if Cupcake had been using it before (Just joking Cupcake) ?
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Old May 22 2013, 11:42 AM   #3484
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The starfleet dress would have ridden up and been uncomfortable if she put that jumpsuit over the top of it, so she did have to take her clothes off.
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Old May 22 2013, 11:48 AM   #3485
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The phrase 'knickers-in-a-twist' comes to mind
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Old May 22 2013, 12:26 PM   #3486
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The starfleet dress would have ridden up and been uncomfortable if she put that jumpsuit over the top of it, so she did have to take her clothes off.
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Old May 22 2013, 02:42 PM   #3487
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The ST:TMP novelization was pretty terrible. Did we ever find out who actually ghostwrote it? Too early for the Reeves-Stevenses.
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Old May 22 2013, 03:15 PM   #3488
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Well TMP is my least favorite movie but I'm going to try try try again to like it because it irks me greatly that I would ever rate NEM and INS above a TOS film.
Try the directors cut if you haven't already seen it. I prefer that version.
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Old May 22 2013, 03:18 PM   #3489
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The ST:TMP novelization was pretty terrible. Did we ever find out who actually ghostwrote it? Too early for the Reeves-Stevenses.
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Old May 22 2013, 03:57 PM   #3490
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Old May 22 2013, 04:12 PM   #3491
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The ST:TMP novelization was pretty terrible. Did we ever find out who actually ghostwrote it?
Roddenberry wrote it. Susan Sackett made regular comments in her "Making of TMP" (supposely cowritten with GR, but Sackett just interviewed him), "Starlog" articles and Lincoln Enterprises' newsletters to Roddenberry beavering away at it in during the last few months of TMP's production.

The slipcase hardcover edition has a dedication "To Majel", which doesn't appear in the MMPB.

The rumour that Alan Dean Foster ghostwrote it came from an error in the French-translated MMPB, which left out crucial lines of text referring to Harold Livingston and Gene Roddenberry.
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Old May 22 2013, 04:28 PM   #3492
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I figure that Roddenberry must have contributed to the novel to about the degree that Shatner contributes to his, because the prose does show a some of his bad habits.
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Old May 22 2013, 04:35 PM   #3493
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TMP is my second-favourite Trek movie, after TWOK. I find its slow-paced, full-sci-fi plot refreshing. You don't see much of that.
My favourite ST movie is still ST:TMP, but closely followed by ST (2009) and now by STiD.

In 1980, I was told if I'd only known TOS like other fans already did, I'd realize how awful TMP was. Still not seeing it. In 2009, I was told that it would be impossible for a fan of TMP to like ST (2009). So sue me. TMP and ST (2009) were both amazingly immersive cinema experiences.
Did we even see the same movies ?
ST09 and STID blows TMP out of the water. There are so many better TOS TV shows than the TMP even. Every single Star Trek TV series has better single TV episodes than TMP. At least with these 2 rebooted movies they never wasted time trying to make a type of TV episode into a good movie. TMP is a TV episode of the TOS nothing more, nothing special as it should have been, as it could have been. And I know some people are ok with that, I am not.
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Old May 22 2013, 04:37 PM   #3494
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ST09 and STID blows TMP out of the water.
Pretty much, yeah. At least STID does.
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Old May 22 2013, 04:58 PM   #3495
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Quite honestly - I felt it was one of the best Trek films.

There are plenty that I've found "meh" (such as most of the TNG films) and plenty that were good and enjoyable but didnt leave me pondering or wondering afterword. TUC and TWOK were the only two that really left a strong impact upon me, and even they didn't leave me going "whoa..." the way that STID did. I walked out of the theater feeling like I'd been on an amusement park ride, because the cinematography had me *in the film* that much. The shots that they used make you feel like you're part of the action.

STID is a masterpiece of world building and cinematography. I loved seeing the ship rise out of the cloud bank, I loved the attention to detail with the scenes on earth and Qo'Nos. I loved the more understated approach to the storytelling that left a lot to be read between the lines. I loved that it covered all the philosophical and ethical bases yet still was a pretty decent action flick. I'm not a fan of the "stand around in uniform with the starfleet joint chiefs of staff talking about the prime directive for two hours" style of storytelling and am glad this was more action and less exposition.

It was a good film, not just a good Star Trek film. And I've been waiting for a Star Trek film that actually had decent cinematography and direction for a LONG time. I don't see what's wrong with a Star Trek film being a summer blockbuster. It SHOULD be thrilling and that's what's been missing from the films for a long time. Space should have a sense of wonder and danger to it.

The only thing I wish we could've seen more of - it was perhaps a little TOO understated with Khan and his people. Too much tell and not enough show.

My father saw the film a few days ago and says that he was thrilled when he saw all of the scenes with the Enterprise being seen from space and hadn't had that feeling since he saw 2001 in the theaters, in the 70s.
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