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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.20%
A 161 21.47%
A- 101 13.47%
B+ 83 11.07%
B 59 7.87%
B- 27 3.60%
C+ 40 5.33%
C 38 5.07%
C- 25 3.33%
D+ 11 1.47%
D 13 1.73%
D- 10 1.33%
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Old May 21 2013, 08:37 PM   #3391
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Is it any more gratuitous than Sherry Jackson's camel toe in What are Little Girls Made Of? Or any more gratuitous than the cat suits worn by Jeri Ryan or Jolene Blalock?

It amazes me how short some Trek fans memories are.
My memory isn't short. This is not 20 years ago or 10 years ago. This is today, and today, he put a naked body in there for NO PURPOSE than to show her off. It served nothing in the story. I complained about Uhura last time around, and I complain about this as well. It's insulting to the movie franchise that they have to stoop this low. It's insulting to the audience, to women, to her specifically, and it is BAD FILM MAKING. He wasted a shot. He wasted a shot in a 180 million dollar movie. He had themes and characters to build, but no, we need a little T&A. It's the kind of hogwash you find in softcore porn, not a movie that wishes to be taken seriously.
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Old May 21 2013, 08:38 PM   #3392
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The Alice Eve shot was "blink or you'll miss it". If you looked away for a second or sneezed, you would have missed it.
But somewhere on celluloid, her boobies are naked under that bra!

WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!

I wonder if anyone has asked Alice Eve her opinion on the matter? It is, after all, her body, and it was her choice to make.
Alice Eve has been naked on film before. I doubt she cares about having to show off her underwear in the movie.

Besides, I thought Kirk being shirtless being in bed with two alien women was more scandalous (implying a three way). It was also ridiculous that they both were wearing bras. Talking about unrealistic!
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Old May 21 2013, 08:44 PM   #3393
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http://io9.com/damon-lindelof-admits...tuit-508967420

Is it any more gratuitous than Sherry Jackson's camel toe in What are Little Girls Made Of? Or any more gratuitous than the cat suits worn by Jeri Ryan or Jolene Blalock?

It amazes me how short some Trek fans memories are.
My memory isn't short. This is not 20 years ago or 10 years ago. This is today, and today, he put a naked body in there for NO PURPOSE than to show her off. It served nothing in the story. I complained about Uhura last time around, and I complain about this as well. It's insulting to the movie franchise that they have to stoop this low. It's insulting to the audience, to women, to her specifically, and it is BAD FILM MAKING. He wasted a shot. He wasted a shot in a 180 million dollar movie. He had themes and characters to build, but no, we need a little T&A. It's the kind of hogwash you find in softcore porn, not a movie that wishes to be taken seriously.
Oh my God. Do people actually read what they post before hitting 'Submit Reply'? Did people bitch and moan about scantily clad women in the first and third Iron Man movies? Did they bitch this much about Scarlett Johansson's skin tight, leather clad get-up in The Avengers? Did they bitch this much about seeing Chris Pine in his underwear in both Trek movies?

Are we this juvenile that we think seeing someone in their underwear somehow demeans them? Besides neither Alice Eve nor Chris Pine have anything I haven't seen before.

"Won't someone please think of the children!!!"

It's, frankly, irritating that we have this cadre of fans who keep saying Trek is this progressive light leading the masses towards the promised land and that J.J. Abrams has somehow perverted it, yet ignoring everything that has taken place in the franchise up to the point he took over.
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Old May 21 2013, 08:48 PM   #3394
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HaventGotALife wrote: View Post
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http://io9.com/damon-lindelof-admits...tuit-508967420

Is it any more gratuitous than Sherry Jackson's camel toe in What are Little Girls Made Of? Or any more gratuitous than the cat suits worn by Jeri Ryan or Jolene Blalock?

It amazes me how short some Trek fans memories are.
My memory isn't short. This is not 20 years ago or 10 years ago. This is today, and today, he put a naked body in there for NO PURPOSE than to show her off. It served nothing in the story. I complained about Uhura last time around, and I complain about this as well. It's insulting to the movie franchise that they have to stoop this low. It's insulting to the audience, to women, to her specifically, and it is BAD FILM MAKING. He wasted a shot. He wasted a shot in a 180 million dollar movie. He had themes and characters to build, but no, we need a little T&A. It's the kind of hogwash you find in softcore porn, not a movie that wishes to be taken seriously.
If that's what you're finding in softcore porn, you're watching the wrong goddamned kind of softcore porn.

In my world, we call what you saw Alice Eve wearing, "an underwear ad," and you can find them in all the adult gentleman's magazines, like a K-mart flyer, or on a billboard.
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Old May 21 2013, 08:55 PM   #3395
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If that's what you're finding in softcore porn, you're watching the wrong goddamned kind of softcore porn.

In my world, we call what you saw Alice Eve wearing, "an underwear ad," and you can find them in all the adult gentleman's magazines, like a K-mart flyer, or on a billboard.
Her underwear isn't even that revealing. I've seen women wearing much more skimpy underwear in ads on the internet and also magazines.
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Old May 21 2013, 08:55 PM   #3396
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Holy crap, people are getting bent out of shape over this?? I've seem more revealing stuff on a public beach. Perhaps I should be more outraged, and go yelling up and down the beach about "teh poor childrenz!" like some crazed weasel.

Nah, I'd rather sip a margarita and enjoy the show.
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Old May 21 2013, 08:56 PM   #3397
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No. Just because my post follows yours doesn't mean I'm addressing you. I simply made a declaration.
I know. I was just not sure.

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My memory isn't short. This is not 20 years ago or 10 years ago. This is today, and today, he put a naked body in there for NO PURPOSE than to show her off.
"Naked" ?

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Her underwear isn't even that revealing. I've seen women wearing much more skimpy underwear in ads on the internet and also magazines.
Or also in real life.
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Old May 21 2013, 08:59 PM   #3398
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BillJ wrote: View Post
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BillJ wrote: View Post
http://io9.com/damon-lindelof-admits...tuit-508967420

Is it any more gratuitous than Sherry Jackson's camel toe in What are Little Girls Made Of? Or any more gratuitous than the cat suits worn by Jeri Ryan or Jolene Blalock?

It amazes me how short some Trek fans memories are.
My memory isn't short. This is not 20 years ago or 10 years ago. This is today, and today, he put a naked body in there for NO PURPOSE than to show her off. It served nothing in the story. I complained about Uhura last time around, and I complain about this as well. It's insulting to the movie franchise that they have to stoop this low. It's insulting to the audience, to women, to her specifically, and it is BAD FILM MAKING. He wasted a shot. He wasted a shot in a 180 million dollar movie. He had themes and characters to build, but no, we need a little T&A. It's the kind of hogwash you find in softcore porn, not a movie that wishes to be taken seriously.
Oh my God. Do people actually read what they post before hitting 'Submit Reply'? Did people bitch and moan about scantily clad women in the first and third Iron Man movies? Did they bitch this much about Scarlett Johansson's skin tight, leather clad get-up in The Avengers? Did they bitch this much about seeing Chris Pine in his underwear in both Trek movies?

Are we this juvenile that we think seeing someone in their underwear somehow demeans them? Besides neither Alice Eve nor Chris Pine have anything I haven't seen before.

"Won't someone please think of the children!!!"

It's, frankly, irritating that we have this cadre of fans who keep saying Trek is this progressive light leading the masses towards the promised land and that J.J. Abrams has somehow perverted it, yet ignoring everything that has taken place in the franchise up to the point he took over.
I never saw Avengers or Iron Man. Talk about jumping to conclusions. No, I haven't seen the films. No, I don't think (and have stated many times in many places) that Star Trek is kind to women, pre-JJ Trek. It's not an excuse to continue the bad tradition.
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Old May 21 2013, 09:00 PM   #3399
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All I know is that I thought I'd seen every episode of Star Trek and its spin-offs. But apparently there is this romanticized version that I've completely missed where warp speeds are consistent, women never wore skimpy outfits and no plot-holes ever existed.
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Old May 21 2013, 09:01 PM   #3400
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"A movie that wishes to be taken seriously?"

Really?

How seriously does this movie wish to be taken? By whom?

Did earlier Trek movies wish to be taken seriously? Did any succeed? Did they make their mamas proud?
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Old May 21 2013, 09:03 PM   #3401
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No, I don't think (and have stated many times in many places) that Star Trek is kind to women, pre-JJ Trek. It's not an excuse to continue the bad tradition.
I don't think having Alice Eve in her underwear was anymore unkind to women than having Chris Pine in his was unkind to men. I don't think the human body is something we should run and hide from.
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Old May 21 2013, 09:05 PM   #3402
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Is it any more gratuitous than Sherry Jackson's camel toe in What are Little Girls Made Of? Or any more gratuitous than the cat suits worn by Jeri Ryan or Jolene Blalock?

It amazes me how short some Trek fans memories are.
My memory isn't short. This is not 20 years ago or 10 years ago. This is today, and today, he put a naked body in there for NO PURPOSE than to show her off. It served nothing in the story. I complained about Uhura last time around, and I complain about this as well. It's insulting to the movie franchise that they have to stoop this low. It's insulting to the audience, to women, to her specifically, and it is BAD FILM MAKING. He wasted a shot. He wasted a shot in a 180 million dollar movie. He had themes and characters to build, but no, we need a little T&A. It's the kind of hogwash you find in softcore porn, not a movie that wishes to be taken seriously.
If that's what you're finding in softcore porn, you're watching the wrong goddamned kind of softcore porn.

In my world, we call what you saw Alice Eve wearing, "an underwear ad," and you can find them in all the adult gentleman's magazines, like a K-mart flyer, or on a billboard.
The reference to softcore porn was not about how much skin is being shown. It was about the type of film making JJ is engaging in these scenes. It serves no purpose in the story, therefore, we are just looking at her like a piece of meat. Therefore, we are engaging in filmmaking meant to make to make us excited. Hence, softcore porn.

It isn't the amount of nudity, it is the useless, gratuitous shot that does not build character, it does not move the story along, it does nothing for themes of the movie. It is just meant for little 12-year-old boys to pleasure themselves.
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Old May 21 2013, 09:05 PM   #3403
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I haven't seen the movie yet, but if Alice Eve is naked in it, I'm leaving work and going right now!

Seriously, there are Victoria's Secret commercials on US broadcast tv that are more revealing than that clip.
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Old May 21 2013, 09:08 PM   #3404
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The reference to softcore porn was not about how much skin is being shown.
So a woman changing clothes during a conversation equates to softcore porn in your world? What kind of spastic convulsions did you have when you could see Troi's nipples through her shear nightgown in The Price?
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"A movie that wishes to be taken seriously?"

Really?

How seriously does this movie wish to be taken? By whom?

Did earlier Trek movies wish to be taken seriously? Did any succeed? Did they make their mamas proud?
Thanks for twisting my words, this is the third correction. 180 million dollars is serious money. If JJ cares about his craft, if he wishes for another story to tell, he needs this movie to be taken seriously by the general public. Thanks again!
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