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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 143 19.32%
A 160 21.62%
A- 99 13.38%
B+ 82 11.08%
B 58 7.84%
B- 27 3.65%
C+ 40 5.41%
C 38 5.14%
C- 24 3.24%
D+ 11 1.49%
D 13 1.76%
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F 35 4.73%
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Old May 21 2013, 02:31 AM   #3331
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Well the transwarp transporter was a secret weapon developed by Khan, only a few people including Scotty would really know the concept behind it and it was not widely available.
Transwarp beaming was a concept developped by Prime.Scotty in the future and told to Alt.Scotty by Prime.Spock. Section 31 just appropriated it and Khan used it.
Yes but the actual equipment was Khan's. The technique was Scotty's but the small ship version was likely Khan's, developed under Section 31...again, not widely availabe, very secret and not used day to day.
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Old May 21 2013, 02:38 AM   #3332
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The question is why they weren't able to beam Spock out of the volcano.

nuScotty reprogrammed a shuttle's transporter for transwarp beaming, and he probably used it to beam nuKirk and nuSpock aboard the Narada, yet he DIDN'T keep the algorithm in the Enterprise's transporter systems?


But who am I to look for logic in a script where a space ship hides under water for no reason and cannot withstand the heat of a volcanic eruption, which is minimal compared to what a ship like the Enterprise would need to endure when it, for example, enters the atmosphere of a planet to hide under water.
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Old May 21 2013, 02:46 AM   #3333
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The question is why they weren't able to beam Spock out of the volcano.

nuScotty reprogrammed a shuttle's transporter for transwarp beaming, and he probably used it to beam nuKirk and nuSpock aboard the Narada, yet he DIDN'T keep the algorithm in the Enterprise's transporter systems?


But who am I to look for logic in a script where a space ship hides under water for no reason and cannot withstand the heat of a volcanic eruption, which is minimal compared to what a ship like the Enterprise would need to endure when it, for example, enters the atmosphere of a planet to hide under water.
Its been pointed out that it wouldn't have trouble with heat but ejecta is a different story. So they got one word wrong. They also changed hypernova to supernova in ST09 so as to not confuse audiences, though hypernovas still wouldn't destroy the universe...

Perhaps like ST:Enterprise, transwarp beaming is too dodgy in it's early stages to adopt. Maybe a few decades hence that wouldn't be the case, but it still is here. Remember Scotty lost a certain prized beagle, so how often has it been successful up till then?

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Old May 21 2013, 03:26 AM   #3334
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I just bought the novelization hoping it makes the Nibiru mission make sense. It is really the only part of the film that I can't make work in my head.
Bob Orci did explain that on Trekmovie, but it's still open to question. The volcano interfered with their transporter lock unless it was line of sight. Apparently between motion and natural disasters, this timeline's transporters are quite finicky.

Also I gathered from Spock's line "that the planet will die" meant the small groups of inhabitants were all near the volcano, not that the planet itself would be destroyed.


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To me the bigger question is, if they were so worried about the Enterprise being seen by the natives, why did they park it underwater in the FIRST place-- and so freakin close to their temple??

Have they never heard of "standard orbit" in this universe?

They never really explained why they had to bring the Enterprise down to the planet. Was the volcano's ash screwing up the atmosphere so no transporter activity could take place between orbit and the surface? It looked like Kirk and McCoy were going to use the shuttle to escape in as well. It was still cool to see the Enterprise rise out of the water. Very Space Battleship Yamato. The diving suits reminded me of TMP uniforms, I guess it was their color.
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Old May 21 2013, 03:29 AM   #3335
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Okay, I haven't heard anyone else mention this yet, but after Pike is killed, the sound of the sirens coming from the "police" ships sounds a lot like the original "red alert" sound from The Cage. Incredibly subtle audio homage, or am I just crazy?
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Old May 21 2013, 03:34 AM   #3336
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Okay, I haven't heard anyone else mention this yet, but after Pike is killed, the sound of the sirens coming from the "police" ships sounds a lot like the original "red alert" sound from The Cage. Incredibly subtle audio homage, or am I just crazy?

I'll have to listen for that when I see it again There were tons of audio references in the film, a lot of the background noises in the brig, and sickbay were all from the series. I also like they use the sing/song like noises for the keypads, etc. The communicator chirps and call alert, etc. I am glad the phasers didn't sound too much like the Naboo pistols from Phantom Menace this time around.


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Old May 21 2013, 03:40 AM   #3337
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I gotta ask.

Were any Vonnegut fans thinking "Ice 9" when Spock froze the volcano?
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Old May 21 2013, 03:44 AM   #3338
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I watched Star Trek - The Search for Spock this evening. I can see the new characters getting to this point. I am glad that they gave the new actors / writers a lot of room to show the characters develop into what we know they can become. Pine does put some "shatner" in his performance as Kirk from time to time. I'm looking forward to the nuTrek 3. I just want it to break the villain vs the enterprise pattern the movies have taken. I would like to see them visit a planet and something happens..lol

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Old May 21 2013, 03:46 AM   #3339
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The official spelling is Kronos.
Has the planet's name even appeared on screen before Into Darkness?

Also am I the only one who questions the whole Kirk growing into the Kirk from TOS despite NuKirk pretty much already is like TOS Kirk.

And other than Spock and the one time with Scotty exactly which subordinates has Kirk been ignoring advice from?

And another thing in this movie Kirk only violated the evil TNG version of the Prime Directive not the somewhat decent idea TOS version.
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Old May 21 2013, 04:16 AM   #3340
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This is worth the read

http://subspacecommunique.com/conten...cceeds-reopeni


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Old May 21 2013, 04:17 AM   #3341
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I gotta ask.

Were any Vonnegut fans thinking "Ice 9" when Spock froze the volcano?

Cat's Cradle!! Yes!!


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Old May 21 2013, 04:38 AM   #3342
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Old May 21 2013, 05:03 AM   #3343
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That was what was so great about the Klingon look from TMP to Enterprise, that no one Klingon looked exactly like another.
Actually, TMP Klingons' crests all came from the one mold. Lots of magazines used to print pics of any random TMP Klingon and label it "Mark Lenard as a Klingon".
I thought someone would mention this eventually, which is why I had first considered listing TSFS instead of TMP.

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Anyone bitching about the inconstancies regarding the Klingons' appearance really just needs to shut up.
Which is kind of the point I was making at the same time that I was listing said complaint. Since that's all that really bugged me about the movie (that and the lack of music during one and only one scene), any issues I do have with Star Trek Into Darkness are rather small indeed.
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Old May 21 2013, 05:31 AM   #3344
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Just an observation on some of the comments I've read: I don't know where people keep coming up with this idea of superman Khan wanting to wipe out less perfect humans...the whole eliminate that which is imperfect is Nomad's bailiwick, after all. Khan just was super ambitious and thought his superiority meant his kind was meant to rule.
It's from the movie itself. Before NuSpock beams over Khan's crew, he asks Khan what he'll do with them. Khan says he'll continue his "work" and Spock says, that as he understands it, his work is the mass genocide of any beings he finds to be less than superior (which is, apparently, the information he got from Spock Prime).

OldSpock showing up was my big eye-roll moment of the movie. He didn't tell Spock anything that helped.
You'll remember that the audience's view on that exchange was cut off mid conversation.
That makes my point: I don't know where OLD SPOCK gets it, either, since that's not what happened. The writers basically made it up. I don't have a problem if this as indeed the case, but since they drag old Spock out from the old continuity they might as well at least have him not dissemble.
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Three questions from the film prologue.. (just saw it for the fourth time).

1. Scotty: The salt water will ruin the.. WHAT? What was he going to say? Also starships fly through nebulas and near suns, surely this is fretting and not science to say salt water will ruin anything.

2. Getting too close to the volcano heat will damage the ship. Again, suns! WTH?

3. How did they get the Enterprise under water without the natives seeing them? It's not like they were far out in the middle of the ocean, even with all the lights out (?!) the ship would be visible descending at night.
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