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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.23%
A 161 21.50%
A- 101 13.48%
B+ 83 11.08%
B 59 7.88%
B- 27 3.60%
C+ 40 5.34%
C 38 5.07%
C- 25 3.34%
D+ 11 1.47%
D 13 1.74%
D- 10 1.34%
F 37 4.94%
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Old May 18 2013, 08:29 PM   #2911
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Rewatch the film. They don't mention the Eugenics Wars but they do mention him trying to lead the world and towards the end Spock mentions that if he gets the seventy-two other Augments, that he would again start trying to cleanse those that don't meet their standards.
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Old May 18 2013, 08:30 PM   #2912
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For a Star Trek film a D. Only cause there is a little bit of Trek in there.
Can someone please tell me what the fuck a Star Trek film is?

That's it! I'm going to go get drunk with the wife.
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Old May 18 2013, 08:38 PM   #2913
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ConRefit79 wrote: View Post

For a Star Trek film a D. Only cause there is a little bit of Trek in there.
Can someone please tell me what the fuck a Star Trek film is?

That's it! I'm going to go get drunk with the wife.
It's just another way of saying "it isn't what I think it has to be," nothing more.
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Old May 18 2013, 08:43 PM   #2914
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For a Star Trek film a D. Only cause there is a little bit of Trek in there.
Can someone please tell me what the fuck a Star Trek film is?

That's it! I'm going to go get drunk with the wife.
It's just another way of saying "it isn't what I think it has to be," nothing more.

At this point, some folks will refuse to see this movie, or Abrams previous effort, as "Real Trek". I've all but given up trying to argue this point.
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Old May 18 2013, 08:51 PM   #2915
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Can someone please tell me what the fuck a Star Trek film is?

That's it! I'm going to go get drunk with the wife.
Apparently it is a little different for everyone. But to me, this just isn't it. I'll have to get my fix from novels and the previous TV shows and films.

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Old May 18 2013, 08:58 PM   #2916
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As for the "summer blockbuster" aspect, films these days are different, they must work on multiple levels. People aren't as patient as they used to be. We're an accelerated culture. I'm no different. I need a reason to sit through a film and not be checking Facebook while I'm watching it.
Yeah, that's something I've noticed over the past years and I'm just not sure if I can adapt to it. Yet there is plenty of excellent television on these days which is not so accelerated as you say, and seems to do just fine. It makes me wonder how this group or an equally talented production company might handle a TV series.

And for a minute in the movie, when it was the Enterprise under the command of Admiral Pike with First Officer James Kirk, I was like, "Man, I'd love to see some of those adventures."
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Old May 18 2013, 09:00 PM   #2917
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Can someone please tell me what the fuck a Star Trek film is?
Star Trek Into Darkness.
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Old May 18 2013, 09:10 PM   #2918
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Rewatch the film. They don't mention the Eugenics Wars but they do mention him trying to lead the world and towards the end Spock mentions that if he gets the seventy-two other Augments, that he would again start trying to cleanse those that don't meet their standards.
Well, "backstory" may not be the appropriate term for the distinction Lapis Exilis was originally contemplating.

It's possibly more that what we see feels like a very incomplete chunk of Khan's story.

Prior to the beginning of the film, we are to assume that, from memory: he was awakened from the cryo-sleep by Admiral Evil, is betrayed by him, and is seeking revenge. That is where Khan's story overlaps with the movie.

It's an awkward way to introduce the character. No doubt that is partly because they didn't want to overlap with the events of Space Seed. But that is why it feels reliant on knowing the previously established story.

In TWoK, the main relevant piece of information is established in the film itself: Khan having been marooned by Kirk and escaping.

It's a necessary by-product of the film using both Khan and Marcus/Section 31, and it's not a huge deal, but I think it does make an impact. In essence, we are getting exposition, not only about Khan's backstory prior to being frozen, but also *after* being un-frozen, so there is a lot of "tell."
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Old May 18 2013, 09:16 PM   #2919
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I actually really liked the fact that Khan's "wrath" was not directly toward Kirk initially, that Kirk was just sucked into two other peoples' pre existing conflict. It was a much fresher and more intelligent way to handle this situation than we've previously seen, though obviously Khan "kicked the dog" by crushing Marcus' skull, establishing himself then as a direct enemy of Kirk. Though it also never seemed personal - Khan just wanted to be reunited with his crew - and that was also way more intelligent than the average mustache twirling villain.
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Old May 18 2013, 09:29 PM   #2920
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Trust me, back in the 80s the plot holes and inconsistencies of TWOK were discussed by Trek fans ad nauseum. Starting with Space Seed was a season 1 episode and Chekov wasn't even on the ship until season 2.
Chekov was on the Enterprise as early as stardate 3018.2 ("Catspaw") and "Space Seed" took place on stardate 3141.9, so Chekov would have been there even if he didn't appear onscreen.
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Old May 18 2013, 09:33 PM   #2921
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Walter Koenig once said Khan was going to the bathroom and Ensign Chekov was blocking it. Khan got upset and told him: "I will never forget your face!"
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Old May 18 2013, 09:34 PM   #2922
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^ I think just having Chekov be a normal redshirt security guard during the pre-Amok Time days makes perfect sense. Especially since he is the security CHIEF during TMP. It stands to reason that the chief of security must be a former security officer.
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Old May 18 2013, 09:45 PM   #2923
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I guess Alcatraz is supposed to represents the creators opinion of GITMO.

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Old May 18 2013, 09:45 PM   #2924
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Finally saw it.

Not much left to say here that hasn't already been said so, brass tacks; it was, despite the oddity's, fun. A.
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Old May 18 2013, 09:48 PM   #2925
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How would you guys think about the remake of Spock's death scene from TWOK, and had Spock shouted "HAAARRRRRRRRISSSSSOOOOOOOONNN!" after Kirk died, had Harrison NOT been Khan?
That would just be stupid and meaningless since Harrison is a made up identity. Having him be Khan carries so much more weight and meaning with it.
What meaning?
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