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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.20%
A 161 21.47%
A- 101 13.47%
B+ 83 11.07%
B 59 7.87%
B- 27 3.60%
C+ 40 5.33%
C 38 5.07%
C- 25 3.33%
D+ 11 1.47%
D 13 1.73%
D- 10 1.33%
F 38 5.07%
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Old May 17 2013, 06:57 AM   #2491
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

My feelings about Star Trek: Homefront Wrath Of Khan

I liked the way the characters related to each other, and obviously the visuals and action sequences were awesome. And the greatest change JJ Abrams has ever made to the Star Trek universe: He brought the prime directive back to sanity. It's okay to save aliens' lives so long as they don't see you! Screw you Phlox!

The plot on the other hand was kind of messy. They tried to tell two stories at the same time and they cockblocked each other. One story did the whole 'We can not become evil to stop evil' thing with the actor who played that exact same villain in both 24 and Enterprise. Then they did the Khan story. These are two movies, not one. JJ Abrams needs to learn if you want to shove a huge amount of stories into the same world you need 120 hours of time to play with.

Also, the fanwank and all the direct references to scenes of Wrath of Khan were cool, but you don't get to lean on scenes from previous movies when you're trying to reinvent a franchise and do your own thing. That would be like if Batman Begins had scene for scene references to Tim Burton's Batman.
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Old May 17 2013, 07:13 AM   #2492
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I'm not sure how I feel after seeing the movie. I think it's fun but it doesn't feel like Star Trek to me.
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Old May 17 2013, 07:26 AM   #2493
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JirinPanthosa wrote: View Post
My feelings about Star Trek: Homefront Wrath Of Khan

I liked the way the characters related to each other, and obviously the visuals and action sequences were awesome. And the greatest change JJ Abrams has ever made to the Star Trek universe: He brought the prime directive back to sanity. It's okay to save aliens' lives so long as they don't see you! Screw you Phlox!

The plot on the other hand was kind of messy. They tried to tell two stories at the same time and they cockblocked each other. One story did the whole 'We can not become evil to stop evil' thing with the actor who played that exact same villain in both 24 and Enterprise. Then they did the Khan story. These are two movies, not one. JJ Abrams needs to learn if you want to shove a huge amount of stories into the same world you need 120 hours of time to play with.

Also, the fanwank and all the direct references to scenes of Wrath of Khan were cool, but you don't get to lean on scenes from previous movies when you're trying to reinvent a franchise and do your own thing. That would be like if Batman Begins had scene for scene references to Tim Burton's Batman.
BB did have a lot of references to the comics though..
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Old May 17 2013, 07:34 AM   #2494
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

when does Khan say to Kirk "you are a pawn?
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Old May 17 2013, 07:56 AM   #2495
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Because he was used as a sacrificial lamb by Marcus
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Old May 17 2013, 08:35 AM   #2496
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I love how he ignores evidence that Kirk was indeed a thrill seeker.
Oh, yes. Kirk's character is that of thrill-seeker because he once climbed a mountain without a rope... Sure.

Perhaps it helps you hipster kids to identify with Kirk by imagining his character as just a regular guy that wild stuff happens to. I guess that makes it easier than realizing his character is just better than you in every way.
And get off my lawn!

Oh I imagine you're gonna last long around here.
Also, I don't believe he understands what hipster means. Everything's hipster nowadays, when it just used to be those people who'd go "I liked it before it became popular!" when, you know, something became popular.

Hey, you know what, I think he might be a hipster!!!!!
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Old May 17 2013, 08:37 AM   #2497
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For me, I went into the film expecting to see an escapist fantasy. I got what I expected.

However, there were artistic and writing choices that left me puzzled. For me, I would like for once in a Star Trek film, that when we see a planet from a distance, and that planet is the hub of activity for a galactic entity, that there were orbital facilities and other infrastructure seen in orbit. I would have liked to see people reacting in a space station to the battle between the two starships and to the aftermath. (I was asking myself, where was that massive spacedock? Where were the other starships?) That's just me.

And, can someone answer this question, what were those vehicles that Spock and Khan fought on.
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Old May 17 2013, 08:39 AM   #2498
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I thought Scotty's ribbing and affection and Keenser's obvious devotion suggested they may have been lovers.
LOL! Well, they did spend many months alone together... What happens on Delta Vega stays on Delta Vega.
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Old May 17 2013, 08:44 AM   #2499
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And, can someone answer this question, what were those vehicles that Spock and Khan fought on.
Hover thingies.

I was a bit meh about them, thinking the JUMP and the fight was straight out of Attack of the Clones but when I thought about it all these kinds of scenes are just variations on the fight atop the speeding train.
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Old May 17 2013, 08:47 AM   #2500
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They did that in Skyfall, and everyone just wondered why the hell the conductor wouldn't stop the train after the rear got ripped off.
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Old May 17 2013, 08:49 AM   #2501
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There were a lot of strange craft flying in San Francisco and London. Before the big chase between Khan and Spock, there was that weird vehicle that looked like a flea lifting off the ground.
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Old May 17 2013, 08:58 AM   #2502
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That reviewer actually said he liked the 2009 film, which most anti-JJ people here didn't. So it's hard to accuse the guy of having an axe to grind.
Maybe "Wired" was miffed that they were left out of the publicity this time? Last time they ran an exclusive, prequel comic strip - and JJ was guest editor.
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Old May 17 2013, 09:01 AM   #2503
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Am I the only person who never reads reviews?

I care more about what varying posters think of it than any columnist or youtube crusader.
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Old May 17 2013, 09:13 AM   #2504
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I'd love to see the Klingon High Council post-mortem after Kirk, Khan & Co left. The shame .
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Old May 17 2013, 09:13 AM   #2505
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JirinPanthosa wrote: View Post
And the greatest change JJ Abrams has ever made to the Star Trek universe: He brought the prime directive back to sanity. It's okay to save aliens' lives so long as they don't see you! Screw you Phlox!
So what if a handful of Nibiruans saw a colossal... thing... rising out of the ocean? Most ancient cultures had stranger tales than that in their mythologies.

What was the point of the underwater ship anyway? It's a hiding place? What a ridiculous way to hide the ship. Considering the state of technological development on Nibiru, the Enterprise crew could have operated freely and without risk of being seen simply by working at night.
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