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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.20%
A 161 21.47%
A- 101 13.47%
B+ 83 11.07%
B 59 7.87%
B- 27 3.60%
C+ 40 5.33%
C 38 5.07%
C- 25 3.33%
D+ 11 1.47%
D 13 1.73%
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Old May 16 2013, 09:16 AM   #2206
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This does not sound interesting. Call me whatever you want, but Star Trek used to be original. Now, it's a greatest hits where it steps on lines from other films?!? I am seriously thinking about sitting this one out, my first skipped Star Trek movie since I was 7 and VI was over my head.
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Old May 16 2013, 09:21 AM   #2207
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Now, it's a greatest hits where it steps on lines from other films?!? I am seriously thinking about sitting this one out, my first skipped Star Trek movie since I was 7 and VI was over my head.
There are maybe a total of 3 minutes that could be considered a "re-hash." The Re-Hash claim is GREATLY exaggerated. You would be doing yourself a complete disservice to "sit it out" simply because a couple of people wanted to be melodramatic. See it for yourself and make up your own mind.
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Old May 16 2013, 09:21 AM   #2208
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This does not sound interesting. Call me whatever you want, but Star Trek used to be original. Now, it's a greatest hits where it steps on lines from other films?!? I am seriously thinking about sitting this one out, my first skipped Star Trek movie since I was 7 and VI was over my head.
There is no Shakespeare in this one so you might find it easier to understand.
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Old May 16 2013, 09:22 AM   #2209
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Now, it's a greatest hits where it steps on lines from other films?!? I am seriously thinking about sitting this one out, my first skipped Star Trek movie since I was 7 and VI was over my head.
There are maybe a total of 3 minutes that could be considered a "re-hash." The Re-Hash claim is GREATLY exaggerated. You would be doing yourself a complete disservice to "sit it out" simply because a couple of people wanted to be melodramatic. See it for yourself and make up your own mind.
So Khan's not in the movie?
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Old May 16 2013, 09:24 AM   #2210
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Now, it's a greatest hits where it steps on lines from other films?!? I am seriously thinking about sitting this one out, my first skipped Star Trek movie since I was 7 and VI was over my head.
There are maybe a total of 3 minutes that could be considered a "re-hash." The Re-Hash claim is GREATLY exaggerated. You would be doing yourself a complete disservice to "sit it out" simply because a couple of people wanted to be melodramatic. See it for yourself and make up your own mind.
So Khan's not in the movie?
It doesn't matter. You've already decided to dislike it. If you go see it now, you'll just walk away angry. Wait for the DVD release.

Me, I went in completely unspoiled, and I loved it.
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Old May 16 2013, 09:27 AM   #2211
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So Khan's not in the movie?
Reusing a character does not a rehash make... again, you're an individual, make up your own mind when you SEE it and have an informed opinion.
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Old May 16 2013, 09:41 AM   #2212
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I would really like for Khan to have said that Marcus ordered facial reconstruction surgery and voice modification. That would explain how he looks and sounds pretty easily. The accent....well he just likes the accent and keeps it.
And why do Kirk and Spock look different?
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Old May 16 2013, 09:41 AM   #2213
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I have this question to ask. In our contemporary world, when the nation's capital is put on alert, there is an increased emphasis on the air traffic routes being monitored and suspicious aircraft are immediately tagged and interceptors are sent. In the film, I would presuppose that San Francisco and Paris and other major cities with Federation buildings are placed on alert and there is an increase in vigilance. So, is it explained in the movie how Khan was able to pilot a gunship that close to the conference room in an effort at assassinating several members of Starfleet?
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Old May 16 2013, 09:43 AM   #2214
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I have this question to ask. In our contemporary world, when the nation's capital is put on alert, there is an increased emphasis on the air traffic routes being monitored and suspicious aircraft are immediately tagged and interceptors are sent. In the film, I would presuppose that San Francisco and Paris and other major cities with Federation buildings are placed on alert and there is an increase in vigilance. So, is it explained in the movie how Khan was able to pilot a gunship that close to the conference room in an effort at assassinating several members of Starfleet?
Yes. It was ordered by Admiral Marcus, and he being such as he is, can order that airspace cleared, or for things to be conveniently ignored.
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Old May 16 2013, 09:46 AM   #2215
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I have this question to ask. In our contemporary world, when the nation's capital is put on alert, there is an increased emphasis on the air traffic routes being monitored and suspicious aircraft are immediately tagged and interceptors are sent. In the film, I would presuppose that San Francisco and Paris and other major cities with Federation buildings are placed on alert and there is an increase in vigilance. So, is it explained in the movie how Khan was able to pilot a gunship that close to the conference room in an effort at assassinating several members of Starfleet?
They probably don't expect him to do it, nor expect him to be able to commandeer a gunship. I don't really think it's important how he did it to be honest, from what we've seen of him in these films he is more than capable.

As far as I know, terrorism isn't a fact of life on Earth and the Federation. I mean it was a huge deal in DS9 when that changeling blew up that meeting and they started putting Starfleet security on the streets.

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I have this question to ask. In our contemporary world, when the nation's capital is put on alert, there is an increased emphasis on the air traffic routes being monitored and suspicious aircraft are immediately tagged and interceptors are sent. In the film, I would presuppose that San Francisco and Paris and other major cities with Federation buildings are placed on alert and there is an increase in vigilance. So, is it explained in the movie how Khan was able to pilot a gunship that close to the conference room in an effort at assassinating several members of Starfleet?
Yes. It was ordered by Admiral Marcus, and he being such as he is, can order that airspace cleared, or for things to be conveniently ignored.
I don't think it was ordered by Marcus, Khan had gone rogue already.
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Old May 16 2013, 09:49 AM   #2216
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And like others have said, this was the first movie where I was actually terrified by the Klingons. I love the new look.
Oh, yes! The Klingon who took his helmet off nearly scared me shitless at first! I was thinking, "I do NOT want to mess with these guys!"

So well done. I'm really hoping for a costume/set design award or two this year for the movie. I mean, everything was so tightly put together, I believed I was looking right into the 23rd century. It felt that real to me.

Also, hooray, we got to see more of earth in the future!
Absolutely. The Klingon redesign was terrifying. Less Ming the Merciless of TOS and TAS; and not so much member of 80s thrash metal band (TMP, TNG, etc); more terrifying Uruk Hai sized colossus. These guys looked like you did NOT wanna mess with them. All the more impressive then, when Khan/Harrison wipes the floor with them.

And yes, it was good to see Earth in the future, something we haven't seen much of in previous Trek movies and TV shows.
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And like others have said, this was the first movie where I was actually terrified by the Klingons. I love the new look.
Oh, yes! The Klingon who took his helmet off nearly scared me shitless at first! I was thinking, "I do NOT want to mess with these guys!"

So well done. I'm really hoping for a costume/set design award or two this year for the movie. I mean, everything was so tightly put together, I believed I was looking right into the 23rd century. It felt that real to me.

Also, hooray, we got to see more of earth in the future!
Absolutely. The Klingon redesign was terrifying. Less Ming the Merciless of TOS and TAS; and not so much member of 80s thrash metal band (TMP, TNG, etc); more terrifying Uruk Hai sized colossus. These guys looked like you did NOT wanna mess with them. All the more impressive then, when Khan/Harrison wipes the floor with them.

And yes, it was good to see Earth in the future, something we haven't seen much of in previous Trek movies and TV shows.
Agreed, and just to reiterate, I loved that Klingon design. It was actually scary. The Klingons looked like the predator warriors that they were. Also, Uhura speaking Klingon right to the Klingon's face? Badassery.
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So Khan's not in the movie?
Reusing a character does not a rehash make... again, you're an individual, make up your own mind when you SEE it and have an informed opinion.
Yeah, you're right. I just had a moment of doubt.
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So Khan's not in the movie?
Reusing a character does not a rehash make... again, you're an individual, make up your own mind when you SEE it and have an informed opinion.
Yeah, you're right. I just had a moment of doubt.
Just remember, that if you go in expecting to dislike it, you probably will, as a more critical eye will tear apart any film, no matter how well made.
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Starfleet may not have experienced terrorism in its history. (This is uncertain.) However, Starfleet has had to deal with threats. I would think that protocols would be in place to protect high ranking officers during a crisis. And, I would think that common sense would dictate that the meeting would be held in a secured facility that was protected by whatever defenses a 23rd century security apparatus could muster.

I am biased before seeing a movie. I watched the news and I read history. So, I have expectations before I see a movie, and, when those expectations are contravened, I am dubious of what I see in a movie. When 9-11 occurred, there was a meeting convened in a secured facility to discuss the crisis and its aftermath. I would expect Starfleet to do likewise.
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