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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 143 19.32%
A 160 21.62%
A- 99 13.38%
B+ 82 11.08%
B 58 7.84%
B- 27 3.65%
C+ 40 5.41%
C 38 5.14%
C- 24 3.24%
D+ 11 1.49%
D 13 1.76%
D- 10 1.35%
F 35 4.73%
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Old May 14 2013, 10:31 PM   #1876
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

The classic example for me when it comes to quality of storytelling is acomparison of the quarantine scenes in Alien and Prometheus. One is low key, sensible and avoided because of the subtlety of the plot (Ash's agenda). The other is devoid of common sense (the ship is open to the atmosphere and they have no quarantine protocols at all) and results in an horrendous messy bloodfest that typifies a shambles of a plot.

I suppose it isn't about old and new, it's more about good and bad, sensible and silly. They all have a mix of both. No episode or movie is perfect but no reason why we can't postulate on tweaks that would have made it more to our tastes. I love TMP but I would have preferred it have more character moments for the supporting cast and I would have liked it if a landing party had needed to navigate its way through V'Ger rather than everything taking place on the ship.

NuKirk displays none of the qualities required to be a captain. In fact, he barely displays the qualities required of a junior officer. I'd have preferred a progression that was more sensible but I can see equally that they want to display the character's progression on screen so they want him to be a flawed captain on board the Enterprise as soon as possible.
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Old May 14 2013, 10:38 PM   #1877
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Correct. The thing we don't know is if he was immediately promoted to captain as well, or was only promoted to commander, then captain after he proved his competency/excellence over a period of time.
Ugh, I think you guys all read memory alpha too much.

There really are no established dates for any of that stuff. It's all just conjecture on a single line of dialog where Q said that without ambition Picard never would have taken charge of "the Stargazer's bridge when its captain was killed." All this "2233" or 22 years stuff from all that I can tell is just made up.
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Old May 14 2013, 10:45 PM   #1878
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What? You must not have been paying attention. Did you go for a toilet break at any time? Ducked out for extra popcorn?

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Old May 14 2013, 10:54 PM   #1879
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What? You must not have been paying attention. Did you go for a toilet break at any time? Ducked out for extra popcorn?
It hasn't opened here.
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Old May 14 2013, 10:56 PM   #1880
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

So you're text-book talking out of your ass.
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Old May 14 2013, 10:59 PM   #1881
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

I think some people are desperate to hate this movie.
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Old May 14 2013, 11:02 PM   #1882
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So you're text-book talking out of your ass.
That doesn't answer the question. It's based on all the info I've collected. And I'm glad cause I won't pay to see another, IMO, Nemesis.
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Old May 14 2013, 11:03 PM   #1883
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Mutenroshi wrote: View Post
So you're text-book talking out of your ass.
That doesn't answer the question. It's based on all the info I've collected. And I'm glad cause I won't pay to see another, IMO, Nemesis.
By your logic, Picard should've allow the Mintakans to skewer Troi and Palmer...

Putting the Prime Directive over the lives of the people under his command is a lesson Prime Kirk never seemed to learn.

It's your loss if you decide to not see it on the big-screen. As much as I hate Insurrection, I still regret not going to see it in the theater.
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Old May 14 2013, 11:11 PM   #1884
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I don't know what's so hard to understand:

Kirk was born on the Kelvin shuttle and immediately promoted to Lt. Commander.

Sheesh! Why all the hub-bub?
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Old May 14 2013, 11:18 PM   #1885
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So you're text-book talking out of your ass.
That doesn't answer the question. It's based on all the info I've collected. And I'm glad cause I won't pay to see another, IMO, Nemesis.
Speaking as another person who hasn't seen the movie, your comparison to Nemesis really proves how little you seem to grasp about the new movie. You're hung up on the whole "heroic death sequence with Chekhov's Gun sitting on the mantle." There's more to both movies than that.

Here's the thing. For all the bad writing in Nemesis, its biggest sin was that it was BORING AS F***. With regards to STID, even its most vocal detractors aren't accusing it of being boring.
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Old May 14 2013, 11:21 PM   #1886
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For all the bad writing in Nemesis, its biggest sin was that it was BORING AS F***.
Yup. Though I do find that it's aging the best out of the four TNG movie outings.
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Old May 14 2013, 11:25 PM   #1887
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You're hung up on the whole "heroic death sequence....
Nope.
There are sins in ST productions I cannot forgive. And this is a biggie.
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Old May 14 2013, 11:29 PM   #1888
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One scene - unless I missed something, it's been a while since I last saw TWOK. Also, it's spelled Khan - your spelling makes me think of a particular unsympathetic football player.
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Old May 14 2013, 11:30 PM   #1889
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You're hung up on the whole "heroic death sequence....
Nope.
There are sins in ST productions I cannot forgive. And this is a biggie.
You do realize that it's been thirty-plus years since The Wrath of Khan? To me, revisiting a character thirty-years after he last appeared isn't a crime against humanity or creativity.
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Old May 14 2013, 11:33 PM   #1890
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I think he means the scene in the warp core which is lifted entirely from TWOK and even recites the same lines but different characters speak them. I was not comfortable with it thats for sure!
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