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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 144 19.20%
A 161 21.47%
A- 101 13.47%
B+ 83 11.07%
B 59 7.87%
B- 27 3.60%
C+ 40 5.33%
C 38 5.07%
C- 25 3.33%
D+ 11 1.47%
D 13 1.73%
D- 10 1.33%
F 38 5.07%
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Old May 14 2013, 09:16 PM   #1846
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

In a recent review I read this:

"One of the things that really resonated for me about Into Darkness was the fact that, like the best Star Trek stories, the film has an important, and very relevant message at its heart, about not throwing away our ideals when confronted with dangerous threats to our civilization and a strong indictment of Cheney-esque and Rumsfeldian politics. In a free society, our democracy cannot just be words on a piece of paper, but have real meaning that we live by … even when inconvenient."

[Link to review - M']

If that isn't Trek then I honestly am not sure what is.

Personally I think that because they are couched with big budget CGI and action scenes and don't spend 1 hour and 50 minutes discussing the deeper story in a conference room that the movies are "brain dead".

We can have a good story AND good action equally as far as I'm concerned. We move at a faster pace now then we did in the 90's and certainly in the 60's. Old talky Star Trek is just going to bore people and even more so if you are paying money for a movie.

You are just going to have become those people you swore you'd never be (your parents) and move into back-in-my-day-ville.

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Old May 14 2013, 09:17 PM   #1847
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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Trek fans have been making excuses for bad storytelling since the 1960's.
That doesn't make it right!
So what?

It does make attempts to compare nuTrek unfavorably to oldTrek wrong on this score.

Frankly, someone could come along and produce an Oscar-winning Star Trek film that was internationally hailed as a masterpiece and knocked Avatar off to become the most successful film in history...and some trek fans would call it "an okay film but bad Star Trek" because it was different and didn't respect "canon."

(Okay, that's obviously a hypothetical - I don't think anyone could produce an Oscar-caliber Trek movie.)
But Star Trek (2009) did win an Oscar, and was nominated for three more.
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Old May 14 2013, 09:18 PM   #1848
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

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What makes a good Star Trek film?
Two hours of aging actors smugly reciting poor dialogue if I remember the first ten of them correctly.
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Old May 14 2013, 09:21 PM   #1849
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What makes a good Star Trek film?
Two hours of aging actors smugly reciting poor dialogue if I remember the first ten of them correctly.
The Hollywood obsession with youth...

Not every hero needs to be in his 30ies...
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Old May 14 2013, 09:25 PM   #1850
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What makes a good Star Trek film?
Two hours of aging actors smugly reciting poor dialogue if I remember the first ten of them correctly.
I like the TOS films, but they have just as many logic gaps as the Abramsverse films.

Sub-space shockwave, anyone? The magic torpedo? Proto-matter? Getting to the center of the galaxy in a few hours?
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Old May 14 2013, 09:25 PM   #1851
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Xavier_Storma wrote: View Post
The Hollywood obsession with youth...
Not every hero needs to be in his 30ies...
But TOS Kirk was Captian in his early 30's. NuTrek he is in his 20's. That is more implaus.... Oh never mind.
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Old May 14 2013, 09:26 PM   #1852
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What makes a good Star Trek film?
Two hours of aging actors smugly reciting poor dialogue if I remember the first ten of them correctly.
The Hollywood obsession with youth...

Not every hero needs to be in his 30ies...
How does that make for a bad movie? Plus, Pike wasn't in his thirties.
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Old May 14 2013, 09:29 PM   #1853
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The Hollywood obsession with youth...
Not every hero needs to be in his 30ies...
But TOS Kirk was Captian in his early 30's. NuTrek he is in his 20's. That is more implaus.... Oh never mind.
But Prime Kirk likely had other commands before getting the Enterprise. Dehner mentions a 'first command' in "Where No Man..."

Plus, Picard got the Stargazer at twenty-eight.
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Old May 14 2013, 09:32 PM   #1854
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But Prime Kirk likely had other commands before getting the Enterprise. Dehner mentions a 'first command' in "Where No Man..."

Plus, Picard got the Stargazer at twenty-eight.
Neither of those men necessarily had to have the RANK of Captain when they had the position of it. Kirk Prime could have received his first command as a Commander or Lieutenant Commander. Same for Picard. (We saw this happen with Dax on DS9. When she commanded the Defiant, she was addressed as Captain, yet she was a LCDR by rank.)
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Old May 14 2013, 09:35 PM   #1855
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Plus, Picard got the Stargazer at twenty-eight.
No. He just once took command of the bridge at that age when his superiors were dead and injured. He did not retain it.
We don't know that for sure.
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But Prime Kirk likely had other commands before getting the Enterprise. Dehner mentions a 'first command' in "Where No Man..."

Plus, Picard got the Stargazer at twenty-eight.
But neither of those men necessarily had to have the RANK of Captain when they had the position of it. Kirk could have had his first command as, say, a Commander or Lieutenant Commander. Same for Picard. We just don't know for sure.
No we don't. But I would point to TMP as evidence that rank doesn't matter when captaining a starship. Admiral Kirk wore captain's stripes when he took over command of the Enterprise.

Captains may simply wear captains stripes when assigned command. Or maybe not. But Kirk being a "captain" doesn't really destroy the movie for me.
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Old May 14 2013, 09:39 PM   #1857
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Plus, Picard got the Stargazer at twenty-eight.
No. He just once took command of the bridge at that age when his superiors were dead and injured. He did not retain it.
We don't know that for sure.
Yeah, I guess we don't.
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Old May 14 2013, 09:47 PM   #1858
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In the novel The Valiant, the Stargazer's captain and first officer were killed, and Picard took command. He kept it.

Ditto Dax on the USS Aventine in the post-series novels.
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Old May 14 2013, 09:54 PM   #1859
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I would point to TMP as evidence that rank doesn't matter when captaining a starship. Admiral Kirk wore captain's stripes when he took over command of the Enterprise.
IIRC, if an Admiral has command of a ship, they are still referred to as Admiral. Kirk actually demoted himself in rank. That's the difference. He expected to KEEP command of the Enterprise.
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Confirmed by The Buried Age.
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