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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 141 19.13%
A 159 21.57%
A- 99 13.43%
B+ 82 11.13%
B 58 7.87%
B- 27 3.66%
C+ 40 5.43%
C 38 5.16%
C- 24 3.26%
D+ 11 1.49%
D 13 1.76%
D- 10 1.36%
F 35 4.75%
Voters: 737. You may not vote on this poll

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Old May 13 2013, 03:12 PM   #1771
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Re: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]

Am I the only one who thinks the klingon ships chasing them was pretty much a clone of star wars? It felt like the tie-fighters chasing luke when he´s on the way to destory the death star.
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Old May 13 2013, 03:33 PM   #1772
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Ben Burtt seemed to agree with you.
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Old May 13 2013, 03:47 PM   #1773
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It was fun, an enjoyable couple of hours, and when it was doing its own thing, it was fairly good at it. The characters were well-realised and often funny, I loved Spock in almost every scene. The film showed great promise when, at the start, Kirk is being chewed out for being a reckless dick, basically vindicating all the criticisms of his actions in the first film. A great start, then. It also felt a lot more StarTrekky, with references and sequences straight out of the TV series(eses). Cumberbatch is also a real pleasure to watch throughout.

Basically, if you liked the first one, you'll like this. Better in some ways, worse in others.

My problem with it is, at the end of the last one, it was left open for "bold new adventures", so I expected NEW adventures. I didn't expect:


What do I want from the next one, then? Cut the budget, cut the scope. Get some different bloody writers, and get the Enterprise OUT THERE, doing NEW things, with NEW characters!

There was more than a hint of Lindelof's Plot Logic in this one. A sense of "wouldn't it be cool if this happened" rather than things making sense. The first film got away with cosmic coincidences in my opinion, because it seemed appropriate. Some of the logic in this one was screwy, though. Character motivations were fuzzy, particularly Cumberbatch and Robocop, with who wanted what and why. It felt like rewrites had been done at the last minutes, without tidying up the loose ends. Perhaps they had, I'm sure it's pretty common.


In short, then, I had a fun time watching it and it definitely has its moments of excellence. The characters have settled in, the humour was well-judged, the dialogue snappy and witty. But the unoriginality running through it means it will not be remembered as anything other than a throwaway piece of tribble fluff. Disappointing.
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Old May 13 2013, 04:29 PM   #1774
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Oh I imagine you're gonna last long around here.
I don't play well with fans of JarJar Abrams, so no. This place is all yours. Buckle up! Woo hoo! Punch it, dude!

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Old May 13 2013, 04:51 PM   #1775
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^ Oh dear Christ.
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Old May 13 2013, 04:52 PM   #1776
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pentta wrote: View Post
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Oh I imagine you're gonna last long around here.
I don't play well with fans of JarJar Abrams, so no. This place is all yours. Buckle up! Woo hoo! Punch it, dude!
So you don't play well with people who have differing opinions in general?
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Old May 13 2013, 04:54 PM   #1777
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I'm waiting for kirk55555 and Mr_Homn to post their reviews since they've both seen it and rated it an 'F'.
You know damn well they won't, and even if they do, it'll be like working on a ranch: bullshit, more shit, piled high and deep.

Impressive that you're capable of anticipating all possible future outcomes from there, you probably need to change your posting location to Mt Olympus.
Call it a hunch babe.
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Old May 13 2013, 04:57 PM   #1778
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trevanian wrote: View Post
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I'm waiting for kirk55555 and Mr_Homn to post their reviews since they've both seen it and rated it an 'F'.
You know damn well they won't, and even if they do, it'll be like working on a ranch: bullshit, more shit, piled high and deep.

Impressive that you're capable of anticipating all possible future outcomes from there, you probably need to change your posting location to Mt Olympus.
If they rated it an 'F' before it was ever released in their respective areas, what makes you think they're going to give it a fair review?
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Old May 13 2013, 05:03 PM   #1779
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BillJ wrote: View Post
trevanian wrote: View Post
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You know damn well they won't, and even if they do, it'll be like working on a ranch: bullshit, more shit, piled high and deep.

Impressive that you're capable of anticipating all possible future outcomes from there, you probably need to change your posting location to Mt Olympus.
If they rated it an 'F' before it was ever released in their respective areas, what makes you think they're going to give it a fair review?
Yep.

Apparently the ability to apply basic logic to a situation after long observation is held equivalent in some quarters to claiming psychic powers. That explains a great deal.
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Old May 13 2013, 05:08 PM   #1780
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So I'm going Thursday morning at 10am to see the movie by myself, Thursday night at 11pm with my wife then on Saturday morning I'm taking my mother-in-law and two boys to see it.

Sure hope its good or else it's going to be a painful weekend!
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Old May 13 2013, 05:10 PM   #1781
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Casting Benedict Cumberbatch as Khan Singh made about as much sense as casting Jessica Alba as a blue-eyed blonde in the Fantastic Four movies - couldn't Cumberbatch simply have played another genetically-engineered superman from Khan's crew? If they wanted to give a nod to Space Seed/Wrath of Khan, then when they were putting all the cryo-pods into storage, why not show one of them being wheeled past, giving a quick glimpse of Ricardo Montalban's face superimposed in the viewing window?
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Old May 13 2013, 05:19 PM   #1782
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I liked Alba in Fantastic Four, and have yet to see a rationalization for why her casting was a mistake that wasn't essentially racist.

At least objections to Daniel Craig as Bond were only shortsighted and moronic.

Seeing this in IMAX 3D on Wednesday night, and then again Friday.
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Old May 13 2013, 05:49 PM   #1783
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BillJ wrote: View Post
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You know damn well they won't, and even if they do, it'll be like working on a ranch: bullshit, more shit, piled high and deep.

Impressive that you're capable of anticipating all possible future outcomes from there, you probably need to change your posting location to Mt Olympus.
If they rated it an 'F' before it was ever released in their respective areas, what makes you think they're going to give it a fair review?
correct me if I'm wrong (yeah, I know that phrase is totally unnecessary on this subforum whether I'm posting facts or observations, but it is part of this sentence, so deal with it), but there are places that get advance screenings. I remember reading that Texas was supposed to get one, but I don't know if it took place or not.

Honestly now: Do ANY of you folks actually KNOW these other posters' locations to be as advertised, or for that matter that they have absolutely not had opportunity to see the film, either in theaters or via bootleg? I'd figure the burden of proof would be the other way round at this point, unless certain posters here have access to trekbbs member info that isn't generally available (that couldn't be, though - ethically, it would be a 'violation,' as Troi might say.)

Then again, if the posters in question are sufficiently dicklike to cast an official negative vote in a poll based on having seen the film without themselves having seen it, they deserve your wrath (note I am making a distinction between that and just bitching about something based on clips and a synopsis and similar input ... in other words, you won't see my vote/ranking here till I've seen the movie, or at least 60% of it -- and if it is the latter, I'll qualify my remarks by making that clear up front.)
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Old May 13 2013, 05:52 PM   #1784
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Admiral Buzzkill wrote: View Post

At least objections to Daniel Craig as Bond were only shortsighted and moronic.
Rimshots only work if the sound is turned on.

Otherwise they are just visual noise, like a badly processed digital image that amounts to being little more than false data.
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Old May 13 2013, 05:55 PM   #1785
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Am I the only one who thinks the klingon ships chasing them was pretty much a clone of star wars? It felt like the tie-fighters chasing luke when he´s on the way to destory the death star.
No. If anything, it's much closer to the shuttle-flight through the moon-dock before the reveal of the Rodger Young in Starship Troopers.

But then, there are far worse scenes you could steel from than the trench-run from Star Wars.
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