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Old April 18 2013, 05:15 PM   #1
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MIRROR DARKLY-seven years old. Still hold up? Your thoughts.

Nearly seven years (the lenght of every other new Trek except ENT unfortunatly) have passed since the airing of IAMR.
At its initial airing there was much acclaim about the episode. I was just wondering what fans think now so far removed from the hype.

In my opinion the hype and praise still are justified. This was an amazing outing, a perfect sequel to TW for anyone who ever wondered (as I did) what happened to the DEFIANT. And to see a TOS starship in operation was just an amazing thing.

The only points I would take away from it are
1. I wish we could have gotten to the Defiant more quickly in part 1.
2. The Gorn stuff feels tacked on and unecessary
and three...as awesome as the ending was for Hoshi five minutes after the credits roll you realize how ridiculous it is for her to declare herself emperor because to hold onto her power she is a prisoner of the DEFIANT forever. What fun is being emperor if you are stuck in orbit in a star ship.

That said-again this was a phenomenal episode and showed the promise this series had that was sadly truncated just when it was getting really good. UPN descendant CW would KILL for the ratings now that ENT was getting then.
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Old April 18 2013, 06:01 PM   #2
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Re: MIRROR DARKLY-seven years old. Still hold up? Your thoughts.

Lame. I couldn't have cared less what the alternate versions of the crew were up to. They're not the crew I'd been watching for four years and they didn't engage me one bit. I know others here feel differently, but that's my take.

I wish they'd spent that TOS bridge money on William Shatner and done the MU origin story instead. Or a "Tomorrow's Enterprise" time travel episode. Or at the very least, done a "Mirror, Mirror" premake where the at least one of the "real" characters is involved.
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Old April 18 2013, 07:23 PM   #3
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Re: MIRROR DARKLY-seven years old. Still hold up? Your thoughts.

Just rewatched part one yesterday. Still entertaining.
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Old April 18 2013, 07:24 PM   #4
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Re: MIRROR DARKLY-seven years old. Still hold up? Your thoughts.

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Lame. I couldn't have cared less what the alternate versions of the crew were up to. They're not the crew I'd been watching for four years and they didn't engage me one bit. I know others here feel differently, but that's my take.
By that logic, you shouldn't really enjoy the Abramsverse films either.
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Old April 18 2013, 07:39 PM   #5
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^They engaged me a lot
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Old April 18 2013, 07:59 PM   #6
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Nearly seven years (the lenght of every other new Trek except ENT unfortunatly) have passed since the airing of IAMR.
At its initial airing there was much acclaim about the episode. I was just wondering what fans think now so far removed from the hype.
In terms of "coolness" - "awsomeness", it was the best presentation of the Mirror universe ever, including the original.
...as awesome as the ending was for Hoshi five minutes after the credits roll you realize how ridiculous it is for her to declare herself emperor because to hold onto her power she is a prisoner of the DEFIANT forever. What fun is being emperor if you are stuck in orbit in a star ship.
You should read the Enterprise story in the Trek book, "Glass Empires", to find out how not true this is.
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Old April 18 2013, 08:07 PM   #7
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Sorry Enterprise or it's mirror version never sold me enough to buy their novels. Too many novels about DS9 and TNG, the franchises I did like, I haven't read yet before I'd even consider it.

As for the episode? Everyone's stupid in this one. Let's just get that out of the way. But it's a mirror universe episode, so that's par for the course. Random dying, lots of sex and everyone's evil. It's the whole concept.

It's entertaining enough and some of the small changes are interesting. Like how Porthos is a huge badass dog now, how Phlox has evil creatures that look like they'd rip you to shreds, things like that. I just took it as two hours of entertainment. Not the best Ent episode... definitely not in the top tier of Trek... but amusing in it's own right.
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Old April 18 2013, 08:51 PM   #8
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Instant classic.
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Old April 18 2013, 09:14 PM   #9
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Nearly seven years (the lenght of every other new Trek except ENT unfortunatly) have passed since the airing of IAMR.
At its initial airing there was much acclaim about the episode. I was just wondering what fans think now so far removed from the hype.
In terms of "coolness" - "awsomeness", it was the best presentation of the Mirror universe ever, including the original.
...as awesome as the ending was for Hoshi five minutes after the credits roll you realize how ridiculous it is for her to declare herself emperor because to hold onto her power she is a prisoner of the DEFIANT forever. What fun is being emperor if you are stuck in orbit in a star ship.
You should read the Enterprise story in the Trek book, "Glass Empires", to find out how not true this is.
Thanks for the recommendation. I'll try to get a copy as I would like to see how it could work.
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Old April 18 2013, 09:41 PM   #10
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I'd describe it as 'enjoyably camp'.
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Old April 18 2013, 10:51 PM   #11
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Re: MIRROR DARKLY-seven years old. Still hold up? Your thoughts.

Seven years eh,... Seems like longer ago. Anyway, one of my favorite ENT two-parters, because of the "Mirror" universe. However, I didn't care for "Mirror" Archer.
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Old April 19 2013, 12:46 AM   #12
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Original airdate 22 April 2005. That's 8 years ago (in 4 days).

I never understood why Forrest didn't throw Archer out the airlock after he regained command. Or for that matter, why Archer didnt kill Forrest in the first place.

Buncha wussies.
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Old April 19 2013, 01:39 AM   #13
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Hold up? Of course it does.

Why wouldn't it?
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Old April 19 2013, 02:42 AM   #14
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Re: MIRROR DARKLY-seven years old. Still hold up? Your thoughts.

Though I have a few nitpicks here and there, I loved those two episodes! Including the alternate credits.

My only concern is that they killed off a lot of interesting characters if they were seriously thinking of revisiting the universe a few times in succeeding seasons.
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Old April 19 2013, 02:49 AM   #15
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Definitely one of the best Enterprise episodes.

Probably the first episode I would show the people (Like myself) who quit Enterprise after the crappy first two seasons.
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