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Old March 1 2014, 02:13 AM   #136
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It is possible that the new ships that were mentioned at the end "These Are The Voyages" was the start of the Constitution (Jefferies Type) hull lineage. We'll need new class name, unless we want to call one the Constitution Mk I and the other Constitution Mk II.
I thought that was supposed to be a nod to the Daedalus class that was supposed to show up some years after the E/R war. Obviously the narrative point is just "the NX is the past, and this new stuff is the future."
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Old March 1 2014, 02:16 AM   #137
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I like to think that there were a couple of intermediate designs between the NX-class and the Constitution-class (like how there were a couple of designs between the Constitution-class and the Galaxy-class).
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Old March 1 2014, 02:33 AM   #138
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In the prime universe, the 1701 was built in 2245. But with Nero's incursion, perhaps plans for this version of the Constitution were scrapped in favour of the nu-design (and Marcus' model is just that -- a concept model he liked and kept).
Since there's also another ship (Newton-type) with the same registry and presumably the same name actually seen in the film, we can also speculate that this ship was going to be its replacement. But as far as being a concept...none of the other ship models are concepts, so why should this one be?
I suppose its arguable that Marcus explained his Vengance model as a concept or possible future ship.
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Old March 1 2014, 03:58 AM   #139
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I think the model looks awesome! I love the idea that the old Constitution-class existed or exists in this timeline also.

"Ericson" was how the film was scripted and shot. They re-dubbed "Harrison" in post, believing it to be too obvious a giveaway.
(From either Orci's posts at Trekmovie or his Twitter, I don't remember exactly)
Oh, wow. They were too desperate to try to keep the secret. I can't decide if it's funny or sad all that effort was spent on a secret that everyone figured out anyway.
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Old March 1 2014, 06:13 AM   #140
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Oh, wow. They were too desperate to try to keep the secret. I can't decide if it's funny or sad all that effort was spent on a secret that everyone figured out anyway.
Precisely. This is how you know it was planned from step 1. There was never a question. Not only did they hide the character's true identity with a pseudonym so no one would catch on, they had to hide the pseudonym with another pseudonym because they realized the first one would be too obvious to die-hard fans.

"I was against it being Khan, it was a last minute arm-twist!" Yeah, yeah....
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Old March 1 2014, 06:54 AM   #141
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Was an explanation ever given for the significance of the name "USS Biddeford"? Is someone on the production team from Maine?
Something to do with the shipyards there?
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Old March 1 2014, 07:37 AM   #142
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Some armchair research:

UTF-8 (binary) for 0718 is 11011100:10011000

Hmmm...
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Old March 1 2014, 09:12 AM   #143
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I think the model looks awesome! I love the idea that the old Constitution-class existed or exists in this timeline also.

"Ericson" was how the film was scripted and shot. They re-dubbed "Harrison" in post, believing it to be too obvious a giveaway.
(From either Orci's posts at Trekmovie or his Twitter, I don't remember exactly)
Ericson was too obvious? How so?
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Old March 1 2014, 09:23 AM   #144
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I think the model looks awesome! I love the idea that the old Constitution-class existed or exists in this timeline also.

"Ericson" was how the film was scripted and shot. They re-dubbed "Harrison" in post, believing it to be too obvious a giveaway.
(From either Orci's posts at Trekmovie or his Twitter, I don't remember exactly)
Ericson was too obvious? How so?
Probably the line from Space Seed comparing Khan to Lief Ericson.
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Old March 1 2014, 09:31 AM   #145
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I think the model looks awesome! I love the idea that the old Constitution-class existed or exists in this timeline also.

"Ericson" was how the film was scripted and shot. They re-dubbed "Harrison" in post, believing it to be too obvious a giveaway.
(From either Orci's posts at Trekmovie or his Twitter, I don't remember exactly)
Ericson was too obvious? How so?
Probably the line from Space Seed comparing Khan to Lief Ericson.
I see. Harrison is kind of a giveaway too though since that crew man was mentioned in the same episode.
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Old March 1 2014, 01:26 PM   #146
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In an early draft of Space Seed, Khan was named Ericson, if I recall my Star Trek Compendium correctly.
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Old March 1 2014, 03:28 PM   #147
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...have there not been 718 episodes, all told, of the various incarnations of Star Trek?...
The 718 actually refers to the telephone area code for Brooklyn, NY. I think it's a reference to JJ Abrams' place of birth (he was born in NYC).
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Old March 1 2014, 03:50 PM   #148
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http://io9.com/inside-secrets-of-the...h-of-457250013

Relevant quote: "In Wilber's original ["Space Seed"] proposal, the Botany Bay contains a criminal named Harold Erickson, who's a blond, Aryan character."
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Old March 1 2014, 08:57 PM   #149
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...have there not been 718 episodes, all told, of the various incarnations of Star Trek?...
A few more than that, I think.

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The 718 actually refers to the telephone area code for Brooklyn, NY.
Is one of the filmmakers on record as saying so? If yes (please cite source, if possible) what would you say is the connection between Brooklyn (not the sole occupant of area code 718, btw) and a coastal locale in Maine settled even before the Mayflower landed and which was known by a number of names before being designated "Biddeford" in 1718?
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Old March 2 2014, 11:39 PM   #150
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My theory: The Connies were probably in development when the Narada came out of the wormhole. In the prime time-line, the Federation never felt the need to develop a bigger, stronger ship and so the Connies were the best they had. In this time-line, however, they rushed R&D on a supership--much bigger, much stronger, much faster. The Connies, in this timeline, are probably considered light cruisers. The first of these super ships is the Enterprise we see. (Of course, we also see the primary hull of an even bigger ship in the wreckage around Vulcan but then, Starfleet almost certainly never had an R2 class so we can chalk that up to poetic license.)
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