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Old April 17 2013, 11:00 PM   #16
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Re: Your own personal continuity

Fandom Star Trek Chronology, Version 17.

Each Trek spinoff series exists in a Slightly different timeline... In TOS, the Eugenics Wars in the 1990s was WW III... In TNG, WW III was in the mid-21st Century... DS9 had Section 31, etc...

Enterprise was a damaged timeline and/or a pseudo-historical holonovel viewed by Deanna and Will Riker...

Star Trek (2009) Never Happened... Ditto for Into Darkness, which can only be worse... Building on the above, maybe holo-adventures for Deanna's and Bev's kids to play in...
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Old April 17 2013, 11:21 PM   #17
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Re: Your own personal continuity

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Mine:
  • During the TOS era, Starfleet adopted a policy of using painted, standardized parts (saucer sections, engineering sections, and nacelles) for its starships and the original Constitution-class was a product of that time.
  • Robert April was the first captain of the USS Enterprise (NCC-1701); Lieutenant Commander Christopher Pike was his first officer.
  • Fashion in the mid 23rd-Century underwent a retro period inspired by the 1960s.
  • Phase weaponry never entered widespread usage in the late 22nd-Century and Starfleet relied on a new form of "laser" weaponry until the 2260s.
  • The USS Constellation (NCC-1017) originally came from a different starship class but was ultimately upgraded to a Constitution-class.
  • Kirk commanded a second five-year mission after TMP.
  • Following the completion of Kirk's second 5-year mission, he was forced to return to the admiralty as the Commandant of Starfleet Academy; Spock was subsequently promoted to Captain of the Enterprise.
  • At some point prior to TWOK, the Enterprise was assigned to Starfleet Academy as a cadet training vessel still under Spock's command.
  • Relations between the Federation and the Klingons took a sharp turn for the worse after Star Trek V and soured the views of many Starfleet veterans (including Kirk and Scotty) towards Klingons.
  • The Enterprise-B was in the final months of her construction at the time of Star Trek VI.
  • John Harriman was only the first captain of the Enterprise-B, there were several others that came after him.
  • The Enterprise-B was decommissioned after 50 years as the longest-serving Federation starship to bear the Enterprise name.
  • Riker and LaForge had attended a class together as cadets at Starfleet Academy, but didn't really get to know each other during their time there.
  • The first seven years of the Enterprise-D's service was spent performing a wide variety of missions. The ship was about to finally embark on a long-term (10+ year) deep-space exploration mission at the time of Generations.
Most of these gel pretty well with what I've always imagined (except for a second 5-year-mission. I've never seen the need for it.)

Also, in my continuity, women are wearing miniskirts again.
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Old April 17 2013, 11:21 PM   #18
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Lenny Nurdbol wrote: View Post
Each Trek spinoff series exists in a Slightly different timeline... In TOS, the Eugenics Wars in the 1990s was WW III... In TNG, WW III was in the mid-21st Century... DS9 had Section 31, etc...
Very similar to the two-dimensional timeline outlined on ex-astris-scientia.
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Old April 17 2013, 11:27 PM   #19
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Interesting... Except I try to avoid the Neroverse like hell...
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Old April 18 2013, 12:12 AM   #20
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Re: Your own personal continuity

Star Trek, and all of its incarnations, are simply stories made to entertain the masses. Some like a little, others like a little more. That's my favorite way to deal with the inconsistencies.
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Old April 18 2013, 03:36 AM   #21
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You, sir, are a disturbed individual in extreme denial.
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Old April 18 2013, 04:57 AM   #22
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All episodes where Odo is especially cranky are due to the lint he accidentally engulfed while regenerating.
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Old April 18 2013, 12:40 PM   #23
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Re: Your own personal continuity

In my headcanon, Star Trek is supposed to be a reflection of our future. So, future events like the Eugenics Wars and WW3 have to be rolled forward as we ourselves move forward in time. Sort of like how continuity rolls forward in Marvel Comics or in The Simpsons (kind like how Homer was a hippy in his youth, but now has been retconned essentially into a Gen-Xer).

The way I see it now, the Eugenics Wars might have been the catalyst for WWIII, and could have happened somewhere in the 2040s or 50s. Retcons are inevitable and HAVE to happen as needed. It's absurd that Memory Alpha says the Soviet Union still exists in the 23rd and 24th centuries.

Some miscellaneous little things:
  • The "supernova" that somehow wiped out the advanced spacefaring T'kon race's homeworld is of the same variety that destroyed Romulus.
  • Miri's Planet was re-shaped by the Preservers as a place to plop down humanity if they needed to be uhh... preserved. Might there also be duplicates of other homeworlds such as Bajor, Vulcan, Cardassia, Qo'nos, etc.? Boggles the mind.
  • The Borg are very very old, and have expanded and contracted as the eons have gone on. Seven once mentioned that their memory going back to the 15th century is fragmented. My thinking is that the Borg hive mind is limited in its expansion capabilities, and eventually reaches a critical mass, from which the Borg have to almost totally rebuild. And of course, since they're constantly bleeding off ancient memories and other data, it's nigh impossible to tell how old they are.
  • And no, they have nothing to do with V'ger.
  • Deflector shields, warp 7 engines, transporters, etc. took Vulcans 2500 years to perfect. Humanity only caught up because we were able to mooch off of them.
  • Phase pistols and cannons are a type of laser. Phasers are what happens when you apply the phase cannon tech to a particle beam. People took to calling the things lasers cause it was catchier and got the point across better.
  • Starfleet DID know about the Borg between 2152 and 2365, they just kept it Top Secret. This of course didn't do any favors for the Hansens, the Neutral Zone outposts, or the crew of the Enterprise-D.
  • Romulans were once more like the way they were in TOS - noble, honorable. But those ways failed them during the Earth-Romulan Wars - the Romulan Star Empire was brought low by a bunch of upstarts, and a political revolution brought in crueler, more pragmatic leadership. Over the next couple of centuries, the state of the Romulan economy and government continued to decline, taking much of their culture along for the ride.
  • Speaking of, Rrrrromulans don't have ridges.
  • Andorians have 4 sexes. No, I don't know how this works.
  • The delta shield has always been the insignia of Starfleet.
  • MACOs are still around in the 23rd and 24th centuries, operated independently of Starfleet by Earth.
  • Worf and Wesley never returned to Starfleet after they left.
  • Scotty's Transwarp Beaming theory is based off of Emory Erickson's sub-quantum teleporter.
  • There are seatbelts.
  • Starfleet has actual military competence. This extends to training, equipment, and tactics.
  • Any irreconcilable continuity errors are side effects of the Temporal Cold War.
  • At some point prior to 2381, an unseen time travel incursion splits the Prime Verse into the Pocket Books and STO continuities.
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Old April 18 2013, 01:09 PM   #24
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Re: Your own personal continuity

There are lots and lots of little things:
  • The salt creature from M-113 eats sugar, not salt.
  • The Enterprise is actually called the Star Trek.
  • The Borg really are Swedish. We don't like to talk about it.
  • Chief O'Brien has a second job as an exotic dancer.
  • There's no such thing as a universal translator. They just pretend they understand whatever those crazy aliens are saying.
  • There's no such thing as a holodeck either. They just imagine things because they're really bored and depressed.
  • Actually, Doctor McCoy is a bricklayer.
  • Romulans are just Vulcans who were exiled because other Vulcans thought they were really boring.
  • Riker can't get enough of eggplants. Sexually.
  • The Enterprise D looks like a hotel because it is a hotel.
  • Tuvok used to serve on the USS Macarena. He still knows the steps.
  • Balok was just a delusional little kid.
  • Crusher is not a family name, it's a nickname.
  • Ketracel White is Tribble blood.
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Old April 18 2013, 02:02 PM   #25
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Re: Your own personal continuity

The Prequel Trilogy never happened, obviously.

... Oh, we're talking Trek?

Uh... maybe Star Wars was never made at all in the Trekverse. And certainly not the PT.


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Star Trek, and all of its incarnations, are simply stories made to entertain the masses. Some like a little, others like a little more. That's my favorite way to deal with the inconsistencies.
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Old April 18 2013, 03:15 PM   #26
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Re: Your own personal continuity

Even though I'm not a Star Wars fan, I love their approach to continuity and when looking at the big picture, apply it to the Star Trek mythology - the episodes, movies, novels etc:

The analogy is that every piece of published Star Wars fiction is a window into the 'real' Star Wars universe. Some windows are a bit foggier than others. Some are decidedly abstract. But each contains a nugget of truth to them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon

That said, I enjoy everything on its own merits. When I read a ancient novel where Sulu is from Alpha Mensa III, I don't see it as wrong, just an earlier extrapolation from the then-smaller Trek canon. In the context of that story, he is from that world and not San Francisco.


In other words, I'm pretty laid back about it. Or I like to think I am, at least.
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Old April 18 2013, 05:32 PM   #27
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For my universe:

Andorians have 4 sexes, as it makes them a far more interesting and diverse race who are slowly becoming extinct due to the complexity of their method of breeding.

Humans are a minority in Starfleet. The ship's we've seen with lots of human-looking crewmembers are the exception (even then, most of those crewmen will be of alien origin--unless specifically stated they are human).

Saavik was half Romulan, but she wasn't impregnanted by Spock, nor did she later marry him.

Despite the fact the Border Service kicks butt, they are still regarded as the red-headed stepchild of the regular Fleet.

Number One, from "The Cage", was of alien origin (exactly where is a mystery). She is of no relation to Robin Lefler.

The Romulans are the Romulans, not whatever non-canon name was created for them.

The Kzinti and the Tzenkethi are not the same species, nor are they related.

All events from Nu-Trek (even those involving 'Prime' Spock) occur across two alternate universe; the first being one where Romulus is destroyed and the second created by Nero going back in time. This means in the Real-Prime Universe Romulus remains intact.

In "Broken Bow", they didn't travel to Qo'noS, but an outlying Klingon outpost (approximately 80 hours at less than warp 5 from the Klingon Homeworld to Earth and they didn't invade?).

Troi attended a Starfleet Academy complex attached to the University of Betazed, which specialised in counselling and social sciences.

The Kes seen in "Fury" wasn't the real Kes, but rather a personification of all her negative emotions (hence the fact she was so old).

Lieutenant Arex's species are the Edosians.

V'ger has nothing to do with the Borg.

The El-Aurian homeworld was called Gallifrey
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Old April 18 2013, 05:42 PM   #28
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- there is more than one "mirror universe" contimuum. Therefore all the latter depictions of the MU are equally valid (DSN, ENT, novels, etc). After all TNG told us that there at least 185-thousand distinct realities (can't remember the exact number off-hand, but it was a lot!).

- Arex was an Edoan. NOT a triexian or whatever Peter David called him.

- Despite protestations from various fronts, Starfleet is a military organization.

- Only one ship ever got a letter suffix added to it's hull number and that was Enterprise.

- the "arrowhead" was always the overall insignia for Starfleet. the other insignia seen in TMP we not emblems for specific ships, but for sub-sommands of the fleet. Enterprise folks wore the arrowhead because they were working directly for Fleet command.

- If I had been in charge of the movies, Spock would still be dead. All STIII and STIV do is erase STII. Spock's dead? Nope, just kidding. Kirk has a son? Sorry, we'll take care of that. Enterprise destroyed? Nah, look over there - we got a new one! Feh. If you're gonna tell the big stories, have the balls to deal with the consequences honestly.
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Old April 18 2013, 06:28 PM   #29
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Most of these gel pretty well with what I've always imagined (except for a second 5-year-mission. I've never seen the need for it.)
Between TMP and TWOK is when Kirk left Starfleet, got the cabin in the woods, and met Antonia. When he told her he was going back to Starfleet, it was to be an instructor at the academy. Kirk was never the Admiral in charge of the academy.

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Deflector shields, warp 7 engines, transporters, etc. took Vulcans 2500 years to perfect. Humanity only caught up because we were able to mooch off of them.
In the mid 22nd century the Vulcans had starships that cruised at warp 7. In the 23rd century, the Enterprise cruised at warp 6. Not only weren't the Vulcans sharing before the Federation was formed, they weren't exactly sharing a century after either.


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The salt creature from M-113 eats sugar, not salt.
That's the reason it's teeth looked the way they did.

There's no such thing as a holodeck either. They just imagine things because they're really bored and depressed.
The "holodeck" is where the crew went to drop acid. They just sat on the floor and hallucinated.

This also explains the entire episode of "Inner Light," except Picard did his acid lying on the carpet in the middle of the bridge.

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Andorians have 4 sexes
And their orgies are epic.

Humans are a minority in Starfleet. The ship's we've seen with lots of human-looking crewmembers are the exception (even then, most of those crewmen will be of alien origin--unless specifically stated they are human).
Scotty himself is an alien, despite his name.

Human Beings have ten fingers ... not nine.

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Old April 18 2013, 06:36 PM   #30
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- Only one ship ever got a letter suffix added to it's hull number and that was Enterprise.

- the "arrowhead" was always the overall insignia for Starfleet. the other insignia seen in TMP we not emblems for specific ships, but for sub-sommands of the fleet. Enterprise folks wore the arrowhead because they were working directly for Fleet command.
That is also part of my personal continuity. Also, Klingons have always had ridges and I ignore the episode that tried to explain it.

I actually ignore the entire Enterprise series.

I see the entire Star Trek Franchise as fictional so I don't mind when our history doesn't line up with theirs. I am pretty sure we will not be visited by Vulcans on April 5, 2063.

I see JJ's Star Trek movies as existing in a parallel universe all on its own and Spock and Nero were from the future of THAT universe and not the original time line at all.
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